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Creating a profile for Empty Hand (DC Comics)

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Hello 👋🏿 I've made this draft profile for the Empty Hand since he definitely deserves a profile on the wiki. Note that I'm only using information we had about the character in the comics and not information from Morrison's interviews which was not used in the comics.

Empty Hand

Tier: Low 1-C

Powers and Abilities:
  • Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Genius Intelligence, Martial Arts: (Should have comparable fighting skills as Darkseid and has made the Oblivion Machine around Earth-7)
  • Mind Manipulation: (Disturbs the minds of anyone reading the comic books cursed by him and his minions)
  • Physics Manipulation, Corruption, Resurrection, Space-Time Manipulation: (Sould possesses the same ability of the Gentry to wield the Anti-Death Equation, a power that transform and corrode anything from the laws of physics to beings as powerful as Monitors and revives deceased individuals, corroding living ones in a process called "gentrification". The Gentry was using the Anti-Death Equation to fold down the space-time around Nix Uotan)
  • Reality Warping: (Created the Gentry from the carcasses of the Pre-Crisis Multiverse)
  • Size Manipulation: (Can adjust his physical size)
  • Absorption: (Had fed on the energies of the Pre-Crisis Multiverse for years)
  • Technology Manipulation: (Created the robot-based civilization of Earth-42 and control them)
  • Teleportation, BFR: (Teleported the Justice Incarnate from Earth-7 to the House of Heroes)
  • Abstract Existence: (Is a literal piece of the Great Darkness)
  • Invulnerability: (Was completely unfazed when Darkseid stabbed him in the chest with the crack in the multiverse)
Attack Potency: Low Complex Multiverse level (Stated to be more than Darkseid's equal and fought against his true form, overpowering him at one point)

Durability: Low Complex Multiverse level (Took a blast from Godhead Darkseid's Omega Beams)
 
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The draft seems extraordinarily barebones, it would benefit from linking the appropriate scans and references in the P&A section as well as the stats
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Invulnerability: (Was completely unfazed when Darkseid stabbed him in the chest with the crack in the multiverse)
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Idk why this should be taken as invulnerability rather than either a hax resistance feat or a durability feat depending on what the "crack in the multiverse" is
 
I could have used the information about the Empty Hand representing the reader or that of him being the "ultimate threat" behind the Anti-Monitor as Grant Morrison said, but this information was not used in the comics.
 
Elizio33 said:
Hello 👋🏿 I've made this draft profile for the Empty Hand since he definitely deserves a profile on the wiki. Note that I'm only using information we had about the character in the comics and not information from Morrison's interviews which was not used in the comics.

Empty Hand

Tier: Low 1-C

Powers and Abilities:
  • Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Genius Intelligence, Martial Arts: (Should have comparable fighting skills as Darkseid and has made the Oblivion Machine around Earth-7)
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Seems fine.
Elizio33 said:
  • Mind Manipulation: (Disturbs the minds of anyone reading the comic books cursed by him and his minions)
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Seems fine.
Elizio33 said:
  • Physics Manipulation, Corruption, Resurrection, Space-Time Manipulation: (Sould possesses the same ability of the Gentry to wield the Anti-Death Equation, a power that transform and corrode anything from the laws of physics to beings as powerful as Monitors and revives deceased individuals, corroding living ones in a process called "gentrification". The Gentry was using the Anti-Death Equation to fold down the space-time around Nix Uotan)
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Corruption and Physics seems fine. I don’t think the evidence is enough for space-time as being in possession of the Anti-Death is what did the feat and the Empty Hand didn’t even do anything himself in Multiversity. Nix wasn’t resurrected so I don’t think it should count.
Elizio33 said:
  • Reality Warping: (Created the Gentry from the carcasses of the Pre-Crisis Multiverse)
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It was said that he found and gather them in Infinite Frontier. It never directly states that he made them, only that they serve him. Even then how is that reality warping?
Elizio33 said:
  • Size Manipulation: (Can adjust his physical size)
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Seems fine.
Elizio33 said:
  • Absorption: (Had fed on the energies of the Pre-Crisis Multiverse for years)
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Does it specifically mention “energies?” Even then did it fuel him? Also, those were the Gentry doing the feeding.
Elizio33 said:
  • Technology Manipulation: (Created the robot-based civilization of Earth-42 and control them)
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Seems fine.
Elizio33 said:
  • Teleportation, BFR: (Teleported the Justice Incarnate from Earth-7 to the House of Heroes)
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Seems fine.
Elizio33 said:
  • Abstract Existence: (Is a literal piece of the Great Darkness)
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Is it?
Elizio33 said:
  • Invulnerability: (Was completely unfazed when Darkseid stabbed him in the chest with the crack in the multiverse)
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Seems fine.
Elizio33 said:
Attack Potency: Low Complex Multiverse level (Stated to be more than Darkseid's equal and fought against his true form, overpowering him at one point)
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Seems fine.
Elizio33 said:
Durability: Low Complex Multiverse level (Took a blast from Godhead Darkseid's Omega Beams)
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Seems fine.
 
VeryGoofyToddler said:
Seems fine.

Seems fine.

Corruption and Physics seems fine. I don’t think the evidence is enough for space-time as being in possession of the Anti-Death is what did the feat and the Empty Hand didn’t even do anything himself in Multiversity. Nix wasn’t resurrected so I don’t think it should count.

It was said that he found and gather them in Infinite Frontier. It never directly states that he made them, only that they serve him. Even then how is that reality warping?

Seems fine.

Does it specifically mention “energies?” Even then did it fuel him? Also, those were the Gentry doing the feeding.

Seems fine.

Seems fine.

Is it?

Seems fine.

Seems fine.

Seems fine.
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Although there is no confirmation that space and time were folding around Nix Uotan was part of the Anti-Death Equation, the Anti-Death Equation disabled the laws of physics and distorted reality, that was basically their trump card during the story. So this might make sense. For resurrection, the Anti-Death Equation resurrected the heroes of Earth-7.
 
Elizio33 said:
Although there is no confirmation that space and time were folding around Nix Uotan was part of the Anti-Death Equation, the Anti-Death Equation disabled the laws of physics and distorted reality, that was basically their trump card during the story. So this might make sense. For resurrection, the Anti-Death Equation resurrected the heroes of Earth-7.
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Nix wasn’t resurrected and the feat doesn’t speak for space-time manipulation. However, if you add Empty Hand reviving the heroes to live in an endless tale of them losing then that’s does count.

As for being a piece of the Great Darkness that isn’t enough evidence and more so because there’s context behind it. Empty Hand came from Earth-33 as the fears of people pulp fiction of it hence why they baited Ultra Comics to come into the reality after the removal of the Monitors species save Nix. You can’t physically remove “the right hand” of the Great Darkness. As it’s symbolic because he is regarded as the right hand of the Great Darkness due to his role and loyalty not because he literally is it. Like how Michael is the right hand of the Presence and Spectre the left hand does not mean they would get those additional ability.

My other points still stand.
 
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VeryGoofyToddler said:
Nix wasn’t resurrected. However, if you add Empty Hand reviving the heroes to live in an endless tale of them losing then that’s does count.

As for being a piece of the Great Darkness that isn’t enough evidence and more so because there’s context behind it. Empty Hand came from Earth-33 as the fears of people pulp fiction of it hence why they baited Ultra Comics to come into the reality after the removal of the Monitors species save Nix. You can’t physically remove “the right hand” of the Great Darkness. As it’s symbolic because he is regarded as the right hand of the Great Darkness due to his role and loyalty not because he literally is it. Like how Michael is the right hand of the Presence and Spectre the left hand does not mean they would get those additional ability.

My other points still stand.
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When the Gentry trapped Nix Uotan, he was disturbing him to the point that he might want to commit suicide, but the Anti-Death Equation would bring Nix Uotan back to those conditions. Not to mention that the Equation resurrected heroes of Earth-7.

The way the narrative unfolded during this story was that the Hand of the Great Darkness evolved into the Empty Hand. The Gentry and Empty Hand being Earth-33 pulp fictions was retconned during Williamson's stories. The Gentry now comes from the carcasses of the Pre-Crisis Multiverse and the Empty Hand is the Hand of the Great Darkness used to form a truce with the Light of Creation.
 
Elizio33 said:
When the Gentry trapped Nix Uotan, he was disturbing him to the point that he might want to commit suicide, but the Anti-Death Equation would bring Nix Uotan back to those conditions. Not to mention that the Equation resurrected heroes of Earth-7.
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The process of gentrification was “change” as he would become a gentry himself serving the will of the Empty Hand. That’s not resurrection.

The heroes being revived, however, will grant resurrection as that’s sufficient for the Empty Hand to gain that ability.
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The way the narrative unfolded during this story was that the Hand of the Great Darkness evolved into the Empty Hand.
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The Great Darkness didn’t split. The Empty Hand creation wasn’t of the deal making with the Light. It and the Gentry were not introduced again until the resident of Earth-33 brought them into light. As well as the creation of Ultra Comics who is linked to them. The narrative that it “became something new” is mentioning the Empty Hand position not that he was the right hand that made the truce. Everything is a piece of the Darkness by your logic which includes Light and all the beings it drove influence over.
 
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VeryGoofyToddler said:
No. He did align and chain all the realities but that wasn’t a power up.
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I'm reading a summary that

"The Quintessence imprisoned Darkseid on Earth Omega, a new parallel world created by the Multiverse's expansion into an Omniverse. However, they did not realise that Darkseid had fused with all his prior incarnations and alternate selves across parallel dimensions, and had become even more powerful than he was before the first Crisis. He easily broke free and killed them."

Is this incorrect to what the panels say? He didn't get more powerful than before?
 
Firestorm808 said:
I'm reading a summary that

"The Quintessence imprisoned Darkseid on Earth Omega, a new parallel world created by the Multiverse's expansion into an Omniverse. However, they did not realise that Darkseid had fused with all his prior incarnations and alternate selves across parallel dimensions, and had become even more powerful than he was before the first Crisis. He easily broke free and killed them."

Is this incorrect to what the panels say? He didn't get more powerful than before?
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He narrated after killing the Quintessence that he had merged all his previous incarnations and avatars into one being, his true form. This Godhead carried on throughout Dark Frontier.

He mentions he was more powerful than what he was in the first crisis or any crises. So the summary is pretty pin point.
 
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VeryGoofyToddler said:
He narrated after killing the Quintessence that he had merged all his previous incarnations and avatars into one being, his true form. This Godhead carried on throughout Dark Frontier.

He mentions he was more powerful than what he was in the first crisis or any crises. So the summary is pretty pin point.
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So his IF/DF Godhead isn't any stronger than his PC Godhead?
 
Firestorm808 said:
Will we be adding the details of Infinite Frontier Era to Darkseid's profile? The Darkseid that attacked Empty Hand is just the Pure Godhead, no other powerup or anything?
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Darkseid achieved his true form during this time and one notable feat of him was that he encompassed the white fabric behind reality where Psycho Pirate watches reality using his power. No power-up was used.
 
Elizio33 said:
Darkseid achieved his true form during this time and one notable feat of him was that he encompassed the white fabric behind reality where Psycho Pirate watches reality using his power. No power-up was used.
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I'm using "power-up" in a lax sense, not a literal sense. What I'm trying to ask is if his Earth Omega Era Godhead is significantly stronger (more powered up) than the Pre-Flashpoint Godhead to justify a new key or description.
 
Elizio33 said:
Darkseid achieved his true form during this time and one notable feat of him was that he encompassed the white fabric behind reality where Psycho Pirate watches reality using his power. No power-up was used.
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That was his goal and intention. It’s more metaphorical than anything.
 
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