Craters

[Vzearr]

Premise:​

Craters, do craters like this mean fragmentation or pulverisation?​

Why they mean pulverisation/v frag:​

The crater has depth, and the reason we say it's fragmentation is because of the cracks, however, the other depth (not the cracks) would be pulverised, or at least violently fragmented, as we don't see them/only see 2 extremely small fragments.​

Why they mean fragmentation:​

They could plausibly involve the material being cracked and pushed backwards, deforming other parts of it, rather than being broken into mostly-invisible pieces. By deformed we mean sort of bent, so concrete bending.​

 

[Vzearr]

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[Agnaa]

My thoughts, in order of how strongly I hold onto them, are:

1. What the ****, this would make every single crater calc 10-30x higher, probably more given the extra volume of cracks we'd now need to account for. Calcing the feat in the OP this way would put it at 9-A if we go with pulv. It also seems like a pretty basic argument someone else should have made before. Surely someone should know why we don't do this everywhere.
2. The fragmentation argument definitely doesn't work for craters on the ground, and I don't think the v. frag end holds up for the vast majority of feats like this, so pulv for all crater feats now, I guess?
3. I don't know the material science, so maybe the frag argument is completely wrong.
4. Still, frag argument seems kinda plausible, so go with that for feats involving walls/ceilings and the like.

 

[Vzearr]

I'll explain in full detail why I whole heartedly agree with option 1.

If a crater has depth, but there are large cracks in it, that does not suggest fragmentation at all, what suggests fragmentation is if large fragments come out of said crater, if small fragments come out of the crater, then it wouldn't be fragmentation, despite the large cracks in said crater, as the actual volume of the crater gives off small fragments.

 

[CloverDragon03]

From the looks of things I don't really see fragmentation. There are large cracks in the already-formed crater, but the part that was destroyed to form said crater has nothing left, which would indicate pulverization