Clarkin' It (Kane Pixel Backrooms CRT)

[The_Renegade_Slugger]

Before this thread gets finalized, I think we should go over the stuff Epik did in their sandbox

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Totally-Epik/Pirate_Clark_(Backrooms_Movie)#Still_Life

There are a lot of good ideas here (and they lowk got ignored earlier ).
.Possible enhanced Senses addition
.Additional Stealth mastery justification
.Social influence - Fear
.Pain resistance (though I'd say it should be possible immunity due to Clark's statement of them not feeling pain)
.A bunch of tier adjustments (some of which we've already discussed here some of which we have not)
.Added weakness and intelligence section
.Added character icon for Human Clark (which I like because theme'sandsuch-wise they're the same character, but might be disagreeable)

 

[Tllmbrg]

Uh, is the "punching hole through a door" calc not for specifically feats like this?

 

[Totally-Epik]

Before this thread gets finalized, I think we should go over the stuff Epik did in their sandbox

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Totally-Epik/Pirate_Clark_(Backrooms_Movie)#Still_Life

There are a lot of good ideas here (and they lowk got ignored earlier ).
.Possible enhanced Senses addition
.Additional Stealth mastery justification
.Social influence - Fear
.Pain resistance (though I'd say it should be possible immunity due to Clark's statement of them not feeling pain)
.A bunch of tier adjustments (some of which we've already discussed here some of which we have not)
.Added weakness and intelligence section
.Added character icon for Human Clark (which I like because theme'sandsuch-wise they're the same character, but might be disagreeable)

Thanks a lot for this comment

 

[Tllmbrg]

.Social influence - Fear

Btw I don't really agree with it, Pirate Clark isn't actively doing anything for the fear effect, it's just everything being scared off either how he looks or them knowing it's super violent.

 

[Deadguy999]

I feel like a strongman can probably do similar stuff?
Heaviest bed frame seems to be 60 kg, and average body weight in North America is 80.7 kg (And I sincerely doubt the actors actually weigh that much).
That's a total of 302.1 kg, which is 200 kg below the top of peak human. So it can be at Peak Human at least.

The two people were also pulling against him so it would take way more force.

 

[The_Renegade_Slugger]

Btw I don't really agree with it, Pirate Clark isn't actively doing anything for the fear effect, it's just everything being scared off either how he looks or them knowing it's super violent.

Agree. Also I think its sort implied narratively that the red hair still-life represents Clark's wife (with Clark making Marry wear her hair during the dinner scene), so I think it makes sense that she'd run off when Pirate Clark showed up, since narratively he represents all of Clarks worst traits and his abusive nature

 

[Totally-Epik]

Btw I don't really agree with it, Pirate Clark isn't actively doing anything for the fear effect, it's just everything being scared off either how he looks or them knowing it's super violent.

Iirc, there are wanderers in the beginning of the film did run away when seeing him. And the social influencing says that the influencer only needs to have confident, reputation, appearance or traits to do it. Pirate Clark is also quite creepy and tall asw, I can see Mary being terrified even when Clark tried talking him down as if the entity a misunderstanding friend.
For other cases like Redheaded Still Life representing Clark's wife who knows how bad Clark is, I'm not sure if it fits the condition which is having traits scaring other off. But I'm fine with not having it used as evidence, ngl I remember thinking about removing it but dk why I didn't.

Uh, is the "punching hole through a door" calc not for specifically feats like this?

It is, why not? Clark did made a hole on it and it's not the destroying the entire upper half feat

 

[Tllmbrg]

Iirc, there are wanderers in the beginning of the film did run away when seeing him. And the social influencing says that the influencer only needs to have confident, reputation, appearance or traits to do it. Pirate Clark is also quite creepy and tall asw, I can see Mary being terrified even when Clark tried talking him down as if the entity a misunderstanding friend.

He's a tall dude with a messed up face, we're not giving any scary looking creature social influence.

 

[Totally-Epik]

He's a tall dude with a messed up face, we're not giving any scary looking creature social influence.

yeah and that fits the ability's condition ("having an appearance or a certain feature in their appearance which other characters in the verse perceive as creepy or scary")

 

[Totally-Epik]

also i wonder if we SHOULD downgrade bacteria and pirate clark to peak human physical stats (if they're not superhuman bc of their large size or enhanced senses)? because the superhuman requirements is to have stats like thousands of joules ap, over 501kg ls (which is the high end of peak human), above 12.42 m/s speed

• while pirate clark physical stats are: 0.6 kj ap/dura (via punching through doors), athletic lifting (and some messages above got him at peak human, not above average human speed, and superhuman stamina (apparently the stamina is the only thing of him being superhuman)
• and bacteria physicals stats are: athlete-street ap/dura (being athlete makes peak human more obviously and right, street for overpowering humans wouldnt really be superhuman), average speed, rest are athletic (nothing being superhuman PROB besides the potential valueless "possibly street level" ap)

I know the superhuman page said "Even if some of the parameters fall below the minimum value, the character can still be regarded as superhuman, if they have statistical advantage over ordinary people in multiple characteristics.", it still seems vague to me cuz of some peak human physical stats users also have that but still peak human

 

[The_Renegade_Slugger]

also i wonder if we SHOULD downgrade bacteria and pirate clark to peak human physical stats (if they're not superhuman bc of their large size or enhanced senses)? because the superhuman requirements is to have stats like thousands of joules ap, over 501kg ls (which is the high end of peak human), above 12.42 m/s speed

• while pirate clark physical stats are: 0.6 kj ap/dura (via punching through doors), athletic lifting (and some messages above got him at peak human, not above average human speed, and superhuman stamina (apparently the stamina is the only thing of him being superhuman)
• and bacteria physicals stats are: athlete-street ap/dura (being athlete makes peak human more obviously and right, street for overpowering humans wouldnt really be superhuman), average speed, rest are athletic (nothing being superhuman PROB besides the potential valueless "possibly street level" ap)

I know the superhuman page said "Even if some of the parameters fall below the minimum value, the character can still be regarded as superhuman, if they have statistical advantage over ordinary people in multiple characteristics.", it still seems vague to me cuz of some peak human physical stats users also have that but still peak human

Idk the rules but it's always been my perception that a character only has to be superhuman in one category to qualify for Superhuman Physical characteristic.
Example here

 

[Da3ggman]

I mean that can just be general strength, for example in say the manga Baki one of the characters Jack later in the story focuses primarily on biting people and they're tier 7. Still wouldn't give them Bodily Weaponry.

Erm actually he had all of teeth replaced with titanium versions now so he would get bodily weaponry

 

[Tllmbrg]

yeah and that fits the ability's condition ("having an appearance or a certain feature in their appearance which other characters in the verse perceive as creepy or scary")

Fine I'm off to revise social influence as a page (Again).

 

[Deadguy999]

The two people were also pulling against him so it would take way more force.

If we consider Clark to be average human and Kat to be below but still in average human range. Let’s assume Clark to have a strength of 70kg and Kat to have 50kg. That would take 120kg more

 

[Totally-Epik]

Idk the rules but it's always been my perception that a character only has to be superhuman in one category to qualify for Superhuman Physical characteristic.
Example here

I guess how they are used are quite inconsistent as some characters only have peak/Superhuman {stats name} if they got only few stats at peak human or Superhuman degrees

 

[Totally-Epik]

If we consider Clark to be average human and Kat to be below but still in average human range. Let’s assume Clark to have a strength of 70kg and Kat to have 50kg. That would take 120kg more

Just overpowering humans in pulling then ig, probably athletic human at max