Clarification on what's Tier 1-A?

[BlaLig]

So, I was wondering. If a character(s) can survive the collapse of all (infinite) dimensions and laws of physics (in which universes are reliant to laws of physics, to keep them from breaking) all over multiverse-which means said character doesn't need dimensions or physics to keep him alive while in the state of absolute nothingness-

Would it make the character 1-A? And further, in the absolute nothingness, if said character can make multiverse anew, with changed rules how it'd be, would that mean said character transcend physics and should be well into ream of Metaphysics? Which is Tier 1-A?

 

[Mandrakk_The_Dark_Monitor]

That sounds like 1-A yes

 

[BlaLig]

@Mandrakk the Dark Monitor umm, right. Thanks for your response ´üè . But Yaldabaoth (SCP F) can destroy all dimensions and can fight outside time and space. So… why is he only High 1-C?

Or would the 'Transcending dimensions' means said chara had to actually transcend Infinite Dimensions/Layers? So even if a chara can destroy 11-Dimensions (and survive) he isn't automatically Tier 1-A?

 

[Antvasima]

We only tend to scale characters to the dimensional level that they can destroy, manipulate, and withstand attacks on.

Withstanding the collapse of an infinite-dimensional reality is in itself only High 1-B, and withstanding the collapse of an 11-dimensional reality is in itself only High 1-C.

To be 1-A, we need explicit explanations or statements supporting this interpretation.

 

[Sera_EX]

If you survive an infinite dimensional collapse, you are still High 1-B. A 1-A would not be affected or even notice a dimensional collapse of any magnitude, because it is beyond the concept entirely.

 

[BlaLig]

@Antvasima @Sera Loveheart Got it. So even if a character can survive in 'absolute nothingness' ('place' before universe? Proto-universe?) we still need explicit statement. Like, predate multiverse itself?

Maybe that's why Death of the Endless isn't Tier 1-A. Despite that she supposedly will be 'the last one to go out' if DC Multiverse were to end.

 

[Sera_EX]

In other words, destruction on a dimensional scale is irrelevant to a 1-A, "surviving" it is not even a feat for a 1-A.

 

[Antvasima]

Sera is correct.

 

[BlaLig]

okay. in short its reserved for Full-On Conceptual Beings. Being dimensionless/outside multiverse won't cut it.

Hm, metahax characters come to mind. They're the easiest to understand for me for their '1-A-ness'

 

[Sera_EX]

No no, 1-A characters are beyond the concept of dimensions. The place before the universe is not absolute nothingness because absolute nothingness is...absolute. You cannot say anything about it because it is "nothing". Being outside the multiverse? Depends on the size. If you are an external background of dimensions, you are 1-A.

1-A is something completely beyond scientific definition. It's the true metaphysics. There's a specific definition of 1-A. Qualitative superiorty over the concept of dimensions. Anything else is extra added by the writer (such as being changeless like Outer Gods).

Death of the Endless is at least High 1-B. The Endless were literally said to be wave functions

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Sorry to bump in, but theorical question. In the event of someone creating an infinite dimensional structure in a world that was otherwise complete and pure nothingness, would we assume that said being created the concept of dimensions, or do we assume that the concept already existed?

 

[BlaLig]

@Sera Loveheart Okay, thank you very much for your detailed explanation.

External background? Something like Overmonitor? But still beyond any physical laws, right? Else, PR!Beyonder would be 1-A too.

I mean, Overmonitor is a canvas entirely separate from the concept of physics. While PR!Beyonder's realm literally consisted of many multiverses.


If the multiverse is the ink, then Overmonitor is the canvas. Without canvas, you might as well drawing on empty air

Basically 'External background' had to not be bound by 'in-universe' rules.

Do I get it right?

 

[Sera_EX]

@Saikou, likely they created the concept.

@BlaLig yes, something like the Overmonitor. A dimensionless space can be the background which dimensions exist on but that isn't always the case.

 

[Mandrakk_The_Dark_Monitor]

@Mandrakk the Dark Monitor umm, right. Thanks for your response ´üè . But Yaldabaoth (SCP F) can destroy all dimensions and can fight outside time and space. So… why is he only High 1-C?
Or would the 'Transcending dimensions' means said chara had to actually transcend Infinite Dimensions/Layers? So even if a chara can destroy 11-Dimensions (and survive) he isn't automatically Tier 1-A?

oh, that's very different then. Yes, you would have to transcend dimensional scale

 

[Sera_EX]

No. You do not have to transcend infinite dimensions. If you possess a qualitative superiority over dimensional structures or the concept of dimensions in general, you are 1-A.

Dimensional reality is based off a quantitative difference. A 3 dimensional being possess a quantitative superiority over a 2 dimensional object by a magnitude of "more than countably infinite". Infinity is the highest quantity. This applies to everything up to High 1-B, which is infinite dimensional (infinite quantitative superiority).