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In a way. This is why it's extremely difficult to Tier the Endless Unknown.
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Chinaman Discussion Thread
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Will lan mu in his new profile get immortality type 9?
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Have you ever read WoD? Just as trying to name or give a description to Essential Divinity would only be giving rise to lesser manifestations of it
The logic is almost the same
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Oh for sure.
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I did and thanks for the explanation
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Lan Mu and Bai Ge stepped into the "unknown", there is no way to make a true description of it
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Well, the Lan Mu in the Endless Unknown isn't even named Lan Mu so yes.
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Ok, I'm going to summarize the Endless Journey the best I can;
The Endless Journey is beyond that, infinitely transcendence beyond that. Because that God is a "Level" the Endless Journey is endlessly beyond it. Beyond the Imagination of everyone and everything.
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Now imagine ^This^, what I just wrote above me, is just one infinite part of the Endless Journey, still.
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And then imagine that True Information is still beyond all of that and that even everything I just said still only has the starting point of '1' in all of the Infinite Natural Numbers representing the Endless Journey.
Beyond that should be True Information and the MCs who scale to it.
And even what I just described is still not the TRUE Endless Journey somehow.
Beyond that should be True Information and the MCs who scale to it.
And even what I just described is still not the TRUE Endless Journey somehow.
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at least it's still there, even if you can't tier it at least acknowledge the fact that it exists and it's there, you just can't tier it. or just tier it as impossible.
(like i said everything exists or whatever, it doesn't matter if you don't know it or whatever, it's still there just undiscovered or whatever, if you can get what i'm trying to say)
i apologize if what i'm speaking is nonsense
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It's all good, that's the whole concept of the Endless Journey, it's the exploration of the Endless Unknown.
Also, I didn't make that summary up, that's how the Author describes it.
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well spaceman the only things that are truly unknowable are things that even the mere thought of them cannot appear in your head or in your subconscious (since we say unknown or various other words but you technically prove it wrong just by the mere thought of it) as well as they are not part of totality. (since even if it cannot appear in your head it's still there part of the everything)
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True, even if we do not know anything about the edge of the universe, just thinking about it makes it slightly less unknown. Although there are a lot of things that are still unknown, the truly unknown would be that which is unimagined.
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even if it is truly unknowable, you still got the totality to back you up.
aka just say I acknowledge everything (you don’t know the unknowable but you technically got it by grouping it with the everything) get it? (Not directly but indirectly by acknowledging everything)
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Ah true, by acknowledging that there are things that are unimaginable, you're still imagining them even if it's just an infinitesimal part. So in the end there is no way to describe the kind of unknown that is truly unknown or even group them up.
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Yeah because totality is everything it covers absolutely everything by acknowledging that, you are covering the things that can never ever appear in your thought or cannot be acknowledged etc and etc.
The only thing that can bypass this is something that is simultaneously cannot be acknowledged/cannot appear in your head and exists outside of totality.
the only thing that can do that is god
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I forgot to mention that this also applys to the very thought and mention of this
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It's a loop, the further you go trying to explain its disconnection from the totality, the more you're making it a part of the totality. You can do this endlessly. I suppose that was what the Author was trying to explain, but in the end, he gave up and came to the same conclusion as we did;
He entered this very same loop by including all of his words even up to this very moment of describing the Endless Journey. Even naming it the Endless Journey or Endless Unknown is still acknowledging it, so he needed to cut it off.
However, to Tier, something like that for the wiki to categorize might honestly be impossible. It's a concept that doesn't fit anything, and even imagining it as nothing or silence is still encompassing it to a degree.
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yeah but if it’s both unknowable and disconnected from totality then you wouldn’t even have the thought of this.
Anyway I wonder if there are higher beings than us who know things even greater than totality and other human words and thoughts
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Philosophy is both terrifying and fun to think about.
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Yeah we like to think totality and omniscience and all that can solve the problems I mentioned regarding thoughts
but I shudder the idea of beings higher than us (aliens can also work) that can see things higher than we can or perceive things we cannot or have more words than us. Things greater than omniscience or even everything.
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Though tbh it would also again include things not even the thoughts and subconscious can cover like this sentence
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It's impossible to reach a conclusion with words, thoughts, feelings, subconscious, or even the unimagined, including these words at the moment. It will forever be out of reach, and every time you reach for it you will realize it was never what you were really after.
Of course, even that description falls under that category, it's a loop, even if describing it as one makes it apart of the totality it's the best word for the situation.
Of course, even that description falls under that category, it's a loop, even if describing it as one makes it apart of the totality it's the best word for the situation.
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That would also include this reply
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I suppose at some point you just have to draw a line. This is not something that can be covered in dialogue or time and effort. It's simply beyond human reach at the moment. Though that raises yet another question, if it's beyond human reach does that mean we are automatically setting it beyond beings who are not human and may even potentially be omniscient by our standards?
How self-inclusive can this become?
How self-inclusive can this become?
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Anyway, I'm going to stop so those who have notifications for the thread don't get spammed.
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I’m gonna stop too because it’s getting to the point where it might not be related to what I meant.
Also to avoid my brain being hurt too much
Also to avoid my brain being hurt too much
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Oh but one final thing. I should note that this was the concept behind Lan Mu's existence.
This inability of humans to explore something that may just be endless.
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To be honest, only 1 chat came into my notifications
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For some reason new replies keep coming up but unless someone quotes my post it doesn’t appear in my notifications
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I also only received one notification from Gasper. And I don't get the notification even though the spaceman and Artorimachi_Meteoraft chatted earlier.
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Yeah
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where exactly did you read fifth novels
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I read it in Vietnamese translation
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Okay, btw what is the title of the fifth novel?
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If it was translated, its name would be heavenly dao is'n work today. MC has an ability like zerg but at true absolute level.
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I guess the reason it’s also impossible to tier endless journey is because he’s not a scientist or mathematician, if he was he could understand new levels of power and other things, possibly even discover it.
well he can without being a scientist or mathematician but i’d say It’s more difficult
well he can without being a scientist or mathematician but i’d say It’s more difficult
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