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Ok, I'm going to summarize the Endless Journey the best I can;
Imagine a bunch of levels, and then imagine an endpoint. Even if each of those levels is Apophatic, indescribable, or just like the Toaa, they are still below the described Endless Journey.

Now

Imagine that beyond all the Infinite Interfaces and Infinite False Authors and the Information beyond that and even beyond even the real Author, there was another Author. And the Real Author was just at the bottom of a Cosmology just as large as the entire Blue and White Cosmology of another Author, with their own Infinite False Authors.

Cool, now repeat this process Infinitely, and then imagine a God above all of that.
The Endless Journey is beyond that, infinitely transcendence beyond that. Because that God is a "Level" the Endless Journey is endlessly beyond it. Beyond the Imagination of everyone and everything.
 
And then imagine that True Information is still beyond all of that and that even everything I just said still only has the starting point of '1' in all of the Infinite Natural Numbers representing the Endless Journey.

Beyond that should be True Information and the MCs who scale to it.

And even what I just described is still not the TRUE Endless Journey somehow.
 
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That's why it's impossible to Tier the Endless Journey. It's easy to write something that is Apophatic, you just need to write it as such. Toaa, the Taiyi Universe, Information Theory, all of these things can't be described, etc.

However, the author explained the idea the Endless Journey in such a way that he can't write something is beyond it, even if he wants to.
at least it's still there, even if you can't tier it at least acknowledge the fact that it exists and it's there, you just can't tier it. or just tier it as impossible.

(like i said everything exists or whatever, it doesn't matter if you don't know it or whatever, it's still there just undiscovered or whatever, if you can get what i'm trying to say)

i apologize if what i'm speaking is nonsense
 
It's all good, that's the whole concept of the Endless Journey, it's the exploration of the Endless Unknown.

Also, I didn't make that summary up, that's how the Author describes it.
well spaceman the only things that are truly unknowable are things that even the mere thought of them cannot appear in your head or in your subconscious (since we say unknown or various other words but you technically prove it wrong just by the mere thought of it) as well as they are not part of totality. (since even if it cannot appear in your head it's still there part of the everything)
 
well spaceman the only things that are truly unknowable are things that even the mere thought of them cannot appear in your head or in your subconscious (since we say unknown or various other words but you technically prove it wrong just by the mere thought of it) as well as they are not part of totality. (since even if it cannot appear in your head it's still there part of the everything)
True, even if we do not know anything about the edge of the universe, just thinking about it makes it slightly less unknown. Although there are a lot of things that are still unknown, the truly unknown would be that which is unimagined.
 
True, even if we do not know anything about the edge of the universe, just thinking about it makes it slightly less unknown. Although there are a lot of things that are still unknown, the truly unknown would be that which is unimagined.

even if it is truly unknowable, you still got the totality to back you up.

aka just say I acknowledge everything (you don’t know the unknowable but you technically got it by grouping it with the everything) get it? (Not directly but indirectly by acknowledging everything)
 
even if it is truly unknowable, you still got the totality to back you up.

aka just say I acknowledge everything (you don’t know the unknowable but you technically got it by grouping it with the everything) get it? (Not directly but indirectly by acknowledging everything)
Ah true, by acknowledging that there are things that are unimaginable, you're still imagining them even if it's just an infinitesimal part. So in the end there is no way to describe the kind of unknown that is truly unknown or even group them up.
 
Ah true, by acknowledging that there are things that are unimaginable, you're still imagining them even if it's just an infinitesimal part. So in the end there is no way to describe the kind of unknown that is truly unknown or even group them up.
Yeah because totality is everything it covers absolutely everything by acknowledging that, you are covering the things that can never ever appear in your thought or cannot be acknowledged etc and etc.

The only thing that can bypass this is something that is simultaneously cannot be acknowledged/cannot appear in your head and exists outside of totality.

the only thing that can do that is god
 
Yeah because totality is everything it covers absolutely everything by acknowledging that, you are covering the things that can never ever appear in your thought or cannot be acknowledged etc and etc.

The only thing that can bypass this is something that is simultaneously cannot be acknowledged/cannot appear in your head and exists outside of totality.

the only thing that can do that is god
I forgot to mention that this also applys to the very thought and mention of this
 
I forgot to mention that this also applys to the very thought and mention of this
It's a loop, the further you go trying to explain its disconnection from the totality, the more you're making it a part of the totality. You can do this endlessly. I suppose that was what the Author was trying to explain, but in the end, he gave up and came to the same conclusion as we did;
Everything that writes blue and white is at most one infinite part of their endless journey.

It is a number in the infinite set of natural numbers.

And my words at this moment are just a story with a starting point of '1'.
He entered this very same loop by including all of his words even up to this very moment of describing the Endless Journey. Even naming it the Endless Journey or Endless Unknown is still acknowledging it, so he needed to cut it off.

However, to Tier, something like that for the wiki to categorize might honestly be impossible. It's a concept that doesn't fit anything, and even imagining it as nothing or silence is still encompassing it to a degree.
 
It's a loop, the further you go trying to explain its disconnection from the totality, the more you're making it a part of the totality. You can do this endlessly. I suppose that was what the Author was trying to explain, but in the end, he gave up and came to the same conclusion as we did;
yeah but if it’s both unknowable and disconnected from totality then you wouldn’t even have the thought of this.

Anyway I wonder if there are higher beings than us who know things even greater than totality and other human words and thoughts
 
Philosophy is both terrifying and fun to think about.
Yeah we like to think totality and omniscience and all that can solve the problems I mentioned regarding thoughts

but I shudder the idea of beings higher than us (aliens can also work) that can see things higher than we can or perceive things we cannot or have more words than us. Things greater than omniscience or even everything.
 
It's impossible to reach a conclusion with words, thoughts, feelings, subconscious, or even the unimagined, including these words at the moment. It will forever be out of reach, and every time you reach for it you will realize it was never what you were really after.

Of course, even that description falls under that category, it's a loop, even if describing it as one makes it apart of the totality it's the best word for the situation.
 
It's impossible to reach a conclusion with words, thoughts, feelings, subconscious, or even the unimagined, including these words at the moment. It will forever be out of reach, and every time you reach for it you will realize it was never what you were really after.

Of course, even that description falls under that category, it's a loop, even if describing it as one makes it apart of the totality it's the best word for the situation.
That would also include this reply
 
I suppose at some point you just have to draw a line. This is not something that can be covered in dialogue or time and effort. It's simply beyond human reach at the moment. Though that raises yet another question, if it's beyond human reach does that mean we are automatically setting it beyond beings who are not human and may even potentially be omniscient by our standards?

How self-inclusive can this become?
 
Oh but one final thing. I should note that this was the concept behind Lan Mu's existence.
"I don't know how big the universe is. I don't know if there's anything beyond the universe. If there is, what is it?

"I'm just a mortal. I don't have the ability to explore these things. I don't have your tolerance. However, you can. You're infinitely better than me. The only difference is that you're naturally inferior to me. "

"The endless unknown requires you to explore endlessly. I don't know what you'll encounter. Perhaps there will be nothing."
This inability of humans to explore something that may just be endless.
 
I also only received one notification from Gasper. And I don't get the notification even though the spaceman and Artorimachi_Meteoraft chatted earlier.
 
I guess the reason it’s also impossible to tier endless journey is because he’s not a scientist or mathematician, if he was he could understand new levels of power and other things, possibly even discover it.

well he can without being a scientist or mathematician but i’d say It’s more difficult
 
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