Chainsaw Man discussion thread

[Breadbear83]

Kaiju no8 perhaps ?

Don't know those mangas, like I mean really good matchup that's worth enough to be prioritized form the dozens of matchups deathbattle could do and make them popular

People online, before db already had many interactions of Yuji and Denji, it's a MC vs MC but that was talked a while before

(Also, the interesting thing of bringing a character back for another matchup is when they had new content since their last appearance, like the 3 Goku vs Superman

There won't be part 3, accept it, Denji eon't get any feats besides The anime glazing some manga feats)

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Kaiju no8 perhaps ?

oooh Kafka is a good mu concept

Denji/Pochita do lose that one though, they match in speed but just get AP stomped, plus Kafka has Regen Negation

It's very much Pochita vs a building sized Pochita

 

[Breadbear83]

Don't know those mangas, like I mean really good matchup that's worth enough to be prioritized form the dozens of matchups deathbattle could do and make them popular

People online, before db already had many interactions of Yuji and Denji, it's a MC vs MC but that was talked a while before

So is a timeframe possible, or is the calc a no go?

It should be, Violence fiend grabbing aki before the explosion reaches him, which can and has been calced there

 

[Machmatej]

Hardly I'll see another interesting matchup for denji, chainsawman will be popular for a while with the anime, so maybe Pochita may get a matchup?

my personal favorite MU for denji is rudo. good connections, good dialogue potential, peak OST potential, great animation/fight potential and it's pretty debatable as of recent chapters (including pochita). tho gachiakuta isn't nearly as popular as it should be so i dont have high hopes for the episode being made, and yuji vs denji kind of has a legacy so i dont mind them using yuji for denji's debut episode.

 

[Bruh]

oooh Kafka is a good mu concept

Denji/Pochita do lose that one though, they match in speed but just get AP stomped, plus Kafka has Regen Negation

It's very much Pochita vs a building sized Pochita

Not unless you wank CSM to Star level

my personal favorite MU for denji is rudo. good connections, good dialogue potential, peak OST potential, great animation/fight potential and it's pretty debatable as of recent chapters (including pochita). tho gachiakuta isn't nearly as popular as it should be so i dont have high hopes for the episode being made, and yuji vs denji kind of has a legacy so i dont mind them using yuji for denji's debut episode.

Does Gachiakuta really has the stats for that, especially speed and physicals, im an anime only ?

 

[Machmatej]

Does Gachiakuta really has the stats for that, especially speed and physicals, im an anime only ?

i don't want to spoil much (you should read gachiakuta), but yea gachiakuta's current arc has a massive power creep due to this one guy basically becoming a god.

i'd put current rudo at his strongest at like 7-B to 7-A with MHS speed (being a little generous, but not going into wank territory) for being able to tank attacks from and beating the shit out of a guy who can cleave mountains. and i do expect massive upscales for him in the near future, considering the story seems to be building up to rudo obtaining and using the entire watchman series to cross to the sphere, and the watchman series has some OP instruments like the Time Walk watch.

Zodyl also wants to use the power of the watchman series to straight up nuke the sphere. and considering how much trash is constantly dumped from the sphere, it's probably gonna be end up being a massive country-sized island or an archipelago of smaller island-cities. I can see gachiakuta reaching tier 6 even by the end of the current arc with how things are going.

 

[GunshyFever]

My issue with a lot of the Yuji wincons is that they really just sounded like "Yeah Yuji wins.... if Denji just stands still "

It is not much different here. I received a lot of retribution for arguing for Denji in the Death Battle thread. It is not a stretch to say that Team Yuji from what I've experienced is a tad bit more aggressive. But JJK is a manga with a lot of powerscalers and the general fandom around powerscaling tends to be hostile in general. So it is honestly best not to argue it, but rather anticipate a winner in a friendly manner.

 

[Zabazab]

Hopefully Denji is in character. Aside from making glaring errors in Gojo and Makima's abilities, it was awful how out-of-character Makima was.

 

[GunshyFever]

it was awful how out-of-character Makima was.

I despise that scream to this day and in general how they took away Makima's soft authoritative voice and replaced it with some seductive dommy mommy voice lines, among making her laugh like a maniac. Yuck.

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

It is not much different here. I received a lot of retribution for arguing for Denji in the Death Battle thread. It is not a stretch to say that Team Yuji from what I've experienced is a tad bit more aggressive. But JJK is a manga with a lot of powerscalers and the general fandom around powerscaling tends to be hostile in general. So it is honestly best not to argue it, but rather anticipate a winner in a friendly manner.

load bearing "tad bit" lol

Well you're not wrong though. JJK does attract more of the general powerscaler crowd, it's also why they're generally pretty rough on the Themes and Such manga CSM, since it's not actually a powerscaling shonen type story.

Remember kids, "narrative" only matters when you're trying to upscale your fave!

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Hopefully Denji is in character. Aside from making glaring errors in Gojo and Makima's abilities, it was awful how out-of-character Makima was.

I despise that scream to this day and in general how they took away Makima's soft authoritative voice and replaced it with some seductive dommy mommy voice lines, among making her laugh like a maniac. Yuck.

The DB sub trying to convince me "no guys Makima and Reze were totally in character they're just evil women" after laughing about Themes and Such. whoof, god forbid their aura farming darling doesn't have the most *********** conclusion before they start screeching about "characterization"

 

[Bruh]

a guy who can cleave mountains.

Bro did that with his physicals or Vital Instruments ?

 

[Machmatej]

Bro did that with his physicals or Vital Instruments ?

his whole body is the vital instrument so both, and rudo upscales from that attack.

it's worth noting that rudo's transformation atp was actually way weaker than he intended it to be, because he originally wanted to use 3R on his very soul to achieve that same god-like form as his opponent, but opted out of it because of his friend's warning and fused himself with a certain object instead (it mimicked the same effect but wasnt nearly as powerful).

 

[Bruh]

his whole body is the vital instrument so both, and rudo upscales from that attack.

it's worth noting that rudo's transformation atp was actually way weaker than he intended it to be, because he originally wanted to use 3R on his very soul to achieve that same god-like form as his opponent, but opted out of it because of his friend's warning and fused himself with a certain object instead (it mimicked the same effect but wasnt nearly as powerful).

Damn anime Wall-e goes crazy

 

[Breadbear83]

Y'all think Denji in death battle will go hybrid form, then Denji Man form? Usually they do "composite" versions of the characters, trying to do fanservice and stuff on them, the hybrid form is more popular, so even if it was never shown that after Denji Man Denji till has the hybrid form, they may have it as the warmup, then he goes Denji Man (and I already unsure of on what storyline context denji will be in, doubt he will still be working for makima)

(Thought honestly Modulo Yuji could probably speed blitz hybrid Denji, realistically he wouldn't be playing)

 

[GunshyFever]

(Though honestly Modulo Yuji could probably speed blitz hybrid Denji, realistically he wouldn't be playing)

Realistically, Hybrid Denji is blitzing the heck outta Modulo Yuji, not the other way around

 

[Breadbear83]

Realistically, Hybrid Denji is blitzing the heck outta Modulo Yuji, not the other way around

If you upscales Post fear boost Denji from fake chainsawman dodging Yorus bangs, then yes

But it's still looks so inconsistent that denji, all within his post fear boost key. Went from struggling more against 3 hybrids than pochita clone (just a piece of the hearth of a weakened pochita) did against 6 in the graveyard, to then being stronger than fake chainsawman who outright deflected and dodges Yorus bangs that part 2 Pochita struggled against (while low on blood, but it's a fear boost Pochita like come on)

Still think denji may deserve 2 post fear keys, which technically should be the same for pochita as it's from fear scaling (assuming fear scaling increase denji strength from the chainsaw church arc to fake chainsaw man fight)

 

[GunshyFever]

Denji did not struggle against the Hybrids at all. And you can probably tell that Pochita is clearly faster than Bang (via Denji man feats) and did not struggle against it when both his arms were severed. And Pochita only had a singular fear boost, a second key is completely unnecessary.

The fact that you still have this thought means that I need to strengthen the justifications on the profiles.

 

[Epiccheev]

Yuji vs Denji preview

 

[Breadbear83]

Denji did not struggle against the Hybrids at all. And you can probably tell that Pochita is clearly faster than Bang (via Denji man feats) and did not struggle against it when both his arms were severed.

The fact that you still have this thought means that I need to strengthen the justifications on the profiles.

Fine, I take it back on that

I would had said that quanxi still believed to be stronger than denji with even all the chainsaw zombies giving him a fear boost, or yoru saying chainsaw man and war are being more feared everyday

But he doesn't seems to really had gotten stronger, neither did pochita, Quanxi could had been yapping about who she didn't fought

Yuji vs Denji preview

Wait that's pochita at the end?

Nah where my denjiman at? Sukuna will probably get his own deathbattle but denji and pochita have to share?

 

[Epiccheev]

Wait that's pochita at the end?

There's a small chance Yuji soloes Pochita only for a fakeout death where he starts crumbling and Denjiman comes out.
Denjiman not changing the outcome at all would fit the themes and such, however.

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Yuji vs Denji preview

3D? that's honestly the biggest surprise to me here

 

[Epiccheev]

Guessing Yuji will have his jjk personality and appearance with Modulo Yuji's powers, since they didnt make him a stoic badass

 

[GunshyFever]

Fine, I take it back on that

I would had said that quanxi still believed to be stronger than denji with even all the chainsaw zombies giving him a fear boost, or yoru saying chainsaw man and war are being more feared everyday

But he doesn't seems to really had gotten stronger, neither did pochita, Quanxi could had been yapping about who she didn't fought

She's stronger than Chainsaw Man but states that he's more fearsome. Denji got stronger, but she still remains stronger than him, in his hybrid form at least.

 

[Breadbear83]

probably some of the resistances that DB Yuji vs Denji g1 gave to denji can be added for devil Physiology page? for example a few are from Chainsaw Man Buddy stories that barely any people have read (i did read it in spanish), one of them is that Denji survived the acid from the house Devil (yeah, that devil exists) by just getting half of his body destroyed

also another feat of enhanced Fiends hearing of Power in Buddy stories hearing Denji from a soundproof room

overall i think the Devil Physiology lacks a lot of Resistances, i dont think most characters resistances are exclusive to them, its more from standard devil physiology

(also as far as i understand, Makimas ´´possible´´ devils are mostly devils that some Public Safety members have fought that she may have control of, in Chainsaw Man Buddy stories, a younger Aki and Himeno met the loneliness devil, who by hitting people with arrows, will put them unconcious for 15 minutes, killing all their loved ones in the process, being a limited death manipulation

even more, if its the case that makima been around when Kishibe was younger, she may have access to the mannequinn Devil who has nearly flawless power mimicry with hundreds of mannequins)

 

[Bruh]

If i have to guess, theyll fake out Denji dying then he'll throw Pochita heart behind Yuji before both Pochita and Denji with Powers chainsaw tag team a weakened Yuji

 

[Epiccheev]

Nah, if Denji is gonna use the chainsaw then we gotta add a scene where he aurafarms by emerging from a pile of corpses

 

[Breadbear83]

If i have to guess, theyll fake out Denji dying then he'll throw Pochita heart behind Yuji before both Pochita and Denji with Powers chainsaw tag team a weakened Yuji

always wondered if Pochita can take more than one piece of his hearth to make more of those Denji clones, the clones all throw their hearths at Yuji (how romantic), so fast that Yuji can´t react to them, so fast that they also push Yuji far away, but the real Denji was waiting further away, slicing up Yuji while his midway being pushed from all those hearths

 

[Epiccheev]

Denji's clone: "Hreeenhhh...... Hreeenhhh... I did things...."

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

I totally forsee one of the scenes being them recreating the big raga walking through Sukuna's domain with Pochita, then him doing the heart throw pitch to close the range between himself and Yuji

I also think the death is gonna be one of two: recreating either Gojo's death (Yuji smiling bisected looking up) or Aki's death (Dennis hugging Yuji with a kill move)

 

[Epiccheev]

If Denji loses you think Pochita gonna retcon himself?

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

If Denji loses you think Pochita gonna retcon himself?

Nah they'd probs just have Yuji destroy the Pochita heart entirely to beat Dennis

TBH I think they might black box the Pochita heart reset as "Pochita could force a stalemate by eating his own heart and thus change the universe so that they'd never meet" but like. That just kinda leans me more on Denji winning bc Pochita could do that even while he and Denji were bug mulch (they technically weren't dead due to no death but like you get what I mean)

So it's like, Denji wins, OR Pochita forces the stalemate

 

[Bruh]

I dont remember if there are instances where Pochita regenerated his heart or not. Maybe in the Doll devil or the graveyard fight. Most i could remember was him being vertically bisected by Yoru down the middle and have his upper body splattered but still regen back

 

[GunshyFever]

probably some of the resistances that DB Yuji vs Denji g1 gave to denji can be added for devil Physiology page? for example a few are from Chainsaw Man Buddy stories that barely any people have read (i did read it in spanish), one of them is that Denji survived the acid from the house Devil (yeah, that devil exists) by just getting half of his body destroyed

also another feat of enhanced Fiends hearing of Power in Buddy stories hearing Denji from a soundproof room

overall i think the Devil Physiology lacks a lot of Resistances, i dont think most characters resistances are exclusive to them, its more from standard devil physiology

(also as far as i understand, Makimas ´´possible´´ devils are mostly devils that some Public Safety members have fought that she may have control of, in Chainsaw Man Buddy stories, a younger Aki and Himeno met the loneliness devil, who by hitting people with arrows, will put them unconcious for 15 minutes, killing all their loved ones in the process, being a limited death manipulation

even more, if its the case that makima been around when Kishibe was younger, she may have access to the mannequinn Devil who has nearly flawless power mimicry with hundreds of mannequins)

All of these are on the profiles apart from the loneliness devil. I bought the physical copy for buddy stories a while back, iirc it's non combat applicable.

Plus we're not sure if Makima was with PS at the time.

 

[Breadbear83]

I dont remember if there are instances where Pochita regenerated his heart or not. Maybe in the Doll devil or the graveyard fight. Most i could remember was him being vertically bisected by Yoru down the middle and have his upper body splattered but still regen back

Rezee could regenerate her whole body from the head alone, which includes the hearth (it even was offscreen from an explosion that may had even damaged the head)

as a far stronger devil, id say Pochita could do so with enough blood

All of these are on the profiles apart from the loneliness devil. I bought the physical copy for buddy stories a while back, iirc it's non combat applicable.

Plus we're not sure if Makima was with PS at the time.

havent checked in depth but even if denji has all those resistances in his profiles and some characters too, many of them could be standard devil physiology (or Hybrid physiology) so it adds to other characters

about ´´buddy stories not being combat applicable´´ you mean that was discussed and agreed for canonicity? its being currently used in the wiki things from it such as Quanxi being faster than sound statement, and the limited power mimicry of hybrids from the Mannequinn devil in his story

Makima likely wasnt part of Public safety in the around 70s when Kishibe and Quanxi story happen, cant find statements outright saying it but it really seems the case that Makima was at least part of public safety Before Aki (who in the Loneliness Fiend story, was still a newbie)

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

I dont remember if there are instances where Pochita regenerated his heart or not. Maybe in the Doll devil or the graveyard fight. Most i could remember was him being vertically bisected by Yoru down the middle and have his upper body splattered but still regen back

There is the accident devil panel in ch216 where we see more than half of Pochitas body being just flat out annihilated including his whole chest and in the direct next panel we see Pochita while being launched away is already regenerating his upper half

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Sukuna will probably get his own deathbattle but denji and pochita have to share?

Probably, yeah. Pochita/Denji is roughly equivalent to Hulk/Bruce Banner (I know it's not exactly the same). We've always seen Pochita tied to Denji, while Sukuna left Yuji's body to take Megumi's during the last arc.

 

[Bruh]

Sukuna will prob fight Muzan or AFO if theyre going for another stomp

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Sukuna will prob fight Muzan or AFO if theyre going for another stomp

Muzan is the most likely one, yeah do Yoru vs Sukuna instead

 

[GunshyFever]

havent checked in depth but even if denji has all those resistances in his profiles and some characters too, many of them could be standard devil physiology (or Hybrid physiology) so it adds to other characters

Plausibly, yes. Denji or moreso chainsaw man shouldn't be much more unique in contrast to other hybrids when it comes to resisting chemicals, so sure, I see that getting accepted.

about ´´buddy stories not being combat applicable´´ you mean that was discussed and agreed for canonicity? its being currently used in the wiki things from it such as Quanxi being faster than sound statement, and the limited power mimicry of hybrids from the Mannequinn devil in his story

No, Buddy Stories is already being used on profiles and abilities from it have been accepted for years now. That is not an exaggeration they have been up since 2024. What I meant is the Loneliness Devil being non-combat applicable, considering its specific function. Though take what I say with a grain of salt, I need myself a reread. Managing these types of things was @CowHeadGod's gift, hope they don't pull an Elaj on me, yall are trying to give me abandonment issues /j

Makima likely wasnt part of Public safety in the around 70s when Kishibe and Quanxi story happen, cant find statements outright saying it but it really seems the case that Makima was at least part of public safety Before Aki (who in the Loneliness Fiend story, was still a newbie)

Might be so, hence possibly might work. I'd say go for it.