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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

Assuming the devil hunter suit can be restricted, i'd give it to Aki.

Griffith is a better swordsman who can humiliate warriors like pre golden age Guts with a precision style that relies on directing blows with minimal effort parries to control the flow of battle and strike vitals with his rapier after putting them in a bad spot, and with the LS difference it would shine vs Aki, not to mention blocking a Rapier's rapid thrusts with his stake sword will be a nightmare. Even playing dead wont cut it as Griffith would know if he actually hit a vital spot.

However, Aki has acess to Fox devil contract, and while he cannot use her mouth (8-C) a Paw strike from her would catch Griffith completely offguard on top of being impossible for him to parry due to sheer size. Specially when at that point in the series magic is very rare and usually much more limited and usually only hermits,witches and people with very special training and lifestyles can use it.
No way in hell he'd be properly positioned or expecting summoning magic out of blue.
 
Griffith has invulnerability to attacks that kill him at once thanks to his blessing tho
 
ElJoaki5 said:
Griffith has invulnerability to attacks that kill him at once thanks to his blessing tho
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One thing is surviving the ramming of fox devil, which as you say he could, but if fox devil eats him, he'd need the strength to break out of his mouth (iif he survives being eaten) katana man did it by having higher durability and AP, but unsure if Griffith could
 
Is catbox a good alternative to imgur? My imgur account was seemingly banned for "spamming" which made all links in my blogs to my imgur posts stop working, so by seeing that imgur has been a problematic website for scans, I'm using something else

This links works?: https://catbox.moe/c/x0d7sp
 
Catbox seems to be the better alternative, yes. You likely got banned for making your posts public. You should have kept them private/hidden.
 
Insane foreshadowing. Just as the war arc starts in part 1, Fujimoto shows the statue of liberty foreshadowing Yoru and her statue goddess.
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GunshyFever said:
How's the re-read going so far?
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Pretty good. Would say its a nicer reread than most mangas due to the quickness it builds on revealing Makima as the real antagonist. I also like how everyone is always being killed off but we always end up getting a new batch of characters more interesting or important.
 
Also I think all primals should get the enhanced senses you give to DD when everyone appears. Its likely primals can see/sense all over hell.
 
Arkenis said:
Pretty good. Would say its a nicer reread than most mangas due to the quickness it builds on revealing Makima as the real antagonist. I also like how everyone is always being killed off but we always end up getting a new batch of characters more interesting or important.
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My last reread was 2 years ago, and it was much better than my initial read as well. Part 1 in general was harder for me to follow back in 22 because a lot of events happened in such a short timeframe. I do believe I see the entire manga through a new lens though, Fujimoto's to be specific.
Arkenis said:
Also I think all primals should get the enhanced senses you give to DD when everyone appears. Its likely primals can see/sense all over hell.
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They already do, but I believe what you are referencing should be indexed as clairvoyance.
 
GunshyFever said:
They already do, but I believe what you are referencing should be indexed as clairvoyance.
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Nah that only says smell when other devils are watching them. The primal section doesn't have it at all.
I'm talking about how Long says the primal fears were watching them, only dd has this put on page. Though clairvoyance may be more suitable given the doors always get placed where they want.
 
Patience is key, the longer the better. Even if that release date ends up being in May, know that it will be the best version the profile can be in. In the meantime, expect other CRTs. I have more controversial stuff coming as Yoru's profile continues to progress.
 
What's even the issue with scaling them to it? I never got the issue ppl had with it.
 
Epiccheev said:
As long as it's not a CRT to scale Yoru or Pochita to her weapons it will be alright.
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I haven't lost my mind yet, so don't worry! 😂 It will mainly address scaling issues that we have been ignorant of. The goal is to make everything make sense.
Arkenis said:
What's even the issue with scaling them to it? I never got the issue ppl had with it.
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They just don't have a reason to scale to them.
 
GunshyFever said:
It depends on what you mean. The sword itself would scale to its own destruction among other variables, yes. But it would not scale to the physicals of Yoru or Pochita.
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Whatever way factors in the mass is the realistic option. She used a state's mass and turned it into a sword, then swung it at Pochita and he tanked that.

Edit: Nvm he didn't tank it, but yeah ap wise she would have it on page.
 
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And regarding those who say that Yoru's weapons do not scale to their weight, that is a myth. Fujimoto shows that they do through the enhanced Gun Gauntlet, which is described as heavy and which Yoru gradually drops over time. Since the author deliberately showed that these weapons do in fact have weight, that should apply to her larger feats after her buff as well.

So the AP blocking we are doing here should be addressed.
 
There's likely some sorta anti feat but I think even that one seems alright since its pre amp. There's something I do wanna know, why is room sword class T? Yoru is the one using the sword to break free from Octopus, she has to force it not the sword itself right? Would make higher LS more consistent.
 
Anyone think Falling's physical and her other spawns should at least scale to Enhanced Yuko, who might become 8-A if the current CRT gets accepted, ik Lil D pawn is weaker than their og but feels weird to have what is essentially her greatest assets be so much weaker than some random dying fiend lv devil that she casually juiced up, surely she can at least make her pawns that strong. This wouldnt really create any scaling problem that i can think of, also Lil D profile need some serious updating now that she has access to Fakesaw man and Fami
 
Arkenis said:
There's likely some sorta anti feat but I think even that one seems alright since its pre amp.
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The anti feats are just plot induced stupidity. As long as Fujimoto shows that Yoru's weapons keep their weight, that is WOG.
Arkenis said:
There's something I do wanna know, why is room sword class T? Yoru is the one using the sword to break free from Octopus, she has to force it not the sword itself right? Would make higher LS more consistent.
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That should probably be removed considering it appears to be energy projection, or she could just be slashing very fast. I am not sure, but since the sword likely has a special ability, I would say the latter.
Bruh said:
Anyone think Falling's physical and her other spawns should at least scale to Enhanced Yuko, who might become 8-A if the current CRT gets accepted, ik Lil D pawn is weaker than their og but feels weird to have what is essentially her greatest assets be so much weaker than some random dying fiend lv devil that she casually juiced up, surely she can at least make her pawns that strong. This wouldnt really create any scaling problem that i can think of, also Lil D profile need some serious updating now that she has access to Fakesaw man and Fami
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No, we'd just scale them to their feats. Causes less issues regarding assumptions.
 
GunshyFever said:
No, we'd just scale them to their feats. Causes less issues regarding assumptions.
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Lil D profile still need some some updating, that thing is ancient as hell. At least Falling should scale to 8-A with TK for injuring and pressuring War boost Yoru. Her dura and LS should at least scale to Weakened Chainsaw man since she is shown to be overall comparable to him (scaling to her striking strength from kicking a hole in Denji and regenerating through him both of which did not put a scratch on her), her being hurt by guns doesnt really mean anything since stuff like snives and swords are 8-B in this universe.

Has anyone calc her LS for lifting all those buildings from chpt 206 onward, she is shown to not only lift their mass but ripped them straight off the ground and launched at great speeds which should provide beeter result than simply lifting their mass along side some KE as well

Finally just checked through War boost Yoru profile, why is her LS just class 5 shouldnt it be somewhere around Class 100 via fear scaling ?
 
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GunshyFever said:
So the AP blocking we are doing here should be addressed.
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I honestly might address this issue in the next CRT as a main discussion topic.

It is okay to be skeptical about scaling and to avoid trying to push characters to unrealistic levels. But we have an issue where we do not bat an eye at feats that are more discreet and complex than ones that are blatant. That is a problem. Especially when we have characters simply upscaling from a single powerful devil even though they have feats that could reasonably place them in a physical class above that devil as the narrative shows.

We should look at these situations and try to make sense of the feats instead of disregarding them outright. That would help the scaling make much more sense.
 
GunshyFever said:
And regarding those who say that Yoru's weapons do not scale to their weight, that is a myth. Fujimoto shows that they do through the enhanced Gun Gauntlet, which is described as heavy and which Yoru gradually drops over time. Since the author deliberately showed that these weapons do in fact have weight, that should apply to her larger feats after her buff as well.

So the AP blocking we are doing here should be addressed.
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If that so then even pre fear boost yoru would had been lifting an at least hundreds of tons heavy aquarium spear, large buildings such as any aquarium would have at least that weight, I already saw that the aquarium can be calced as a 7.4m tall building, with a statement of it having a width or length of at least 20 meters (already very small for irl aquariums in Tokyo)

Arkenis said:
There's likely some sorta anti feat but I think even that one seems alright since its pre amp. There's something I do wanna know, why is room sword class T? Yoru is the one using the sword to break free from Octopus, she has to force it not the sword itself right? Would make higher LS more consistent.
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A department room is nowhere class T of lifting it, where did you saw it?
Like literally lifting a whole cubic kilometer of rock would be 2.7 million tons, which is lower end of Class G

For what I see in eljoaki5 calc the Oregon sword would have a weight of 6.879762e17kg, or 687.9762 Trillion tons (Class P),
 
Wait if we counting the weight then then would could we actually take into account the KE behind Nuke Yoru swining her Orgen Sword then and scale it to her AP?
 
Yes. And we could also scale other Primal Devils there and establish a reasonable gap, which is much needed.
 
GunshyFever said:
I honestly might address this issue in the next CRT as a main discussion topic.

It is okay to be skeptical about scaling and to avoid trying to push characters to unrealistic levels. But we have an issue where we do not bat an eye at feats that are more discreet and complex than ones that are blatant. That is a problem. Especially when we have characters simply upscaling from a single powerful devil even though they have feats that could reasonably place them in a physical class above that devil as the narrative shows.

We should look at these situations and try to make sense of the feats instead of disregarding them outright. That would help the scaling make much more sense.
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One issue is the Michigan and Oregon change. We'll likely not get the change in a while or Yoru used two different states, one off screen?
 
Arkenis said:
One issue is the Michigan and Oregon change. We'll likely not get the change in a while or Yoru used two different states, one off screen?
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She used Michigan off screen. However something happened to it which led to her using the Oregon Sword instead. Knowing Pochita can't break swords that durable, it's likely he clashed against it causing it to fall out of Yoru's grip, or something of the sort.
 
Do we consider Nuke boost Asa to have different stats than Yoru, if no does that mean my GOAT Guily gets to have 7-B AP
 
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