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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

Hey something I've kinda been confused on, but how come we never address this for pages? CSM ate four alternatives other than death at the end of a humans lifespan. I've seen a lot of discussions on it and it seems a bit confusing to people. There's the idea that reincarnation can't be one since that requires death, but it's a fictional verse with made up stuff, reincarnation can happen however Fujimoto imagines it. So reincarnation is a possible one, just not similar to how Re:zero might do it. There's another possible one, changing into a different entity altogether. Kinda like a form of ascension or reincarnation but still different. But I'm kinda wondering about souls/spirits. There's also Aging devil who shows a new form after death, sorta a form of reincarnation but still different, though this could be exclusive to his world and since devil powers don't work there it's likely following its own laws.
 
Arkenis said:
Hey something I've kinda been confused on, but how come we never address this for pages? CSM ate four alternatives other than death at the end of a humans lifespan. I've seen a lot of discussions on it and it seems a bit confusing to people. There's the idea that reincarnation can't be one since that requires death, but it's a fictional verse with made up stuff, reincarnation can happen however Fujimoto imagines it. So reincarnation is a possible one, just not similar to how Re:zero might do it. There's another possible one, changing into a different entity altogether. Kinda like a form of ascension or reincarnation but still different. But I'm kinda wondering about souls/spirits. There's also Aging devil who shows a new form after death, sorta a form of reincarnation but still different, though this could be exclusive to his world and since devil powers don't work there it's likely following its own laws.
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I also wondered about how does the aging devil victim saying that after some time the trees are freed, by "turning one eith nature" and "returning to their bodies" specially returning to their bodies, your whole body is physically on aging devil's world, it's not a mental attack that leaves your physical body unconscious in the real world, as asa and Yoshida could put their hands throught Denjis mouth to go to the real world, it can't be that there were 2 different bodies a the same time

There aren't any statements In Chaibsawman mention souls, even figuratively

It should be taken into account, death itself, is a state of the end of a live being (devil's, human, animal) can reach because of anything, by being killed by another live being, or even your surroundings like falling objects, diseases, ETC

The type of death shown by aging devil is related to becoming crazy (related to your mind), but also in the specific conditions of living for too long, I'd imagine the other types of death were more common, like some innate ability that devil's could use to kill humans that after that concept was erased, they all lost it



But even things that don't really exist, like ghost and zombies, have devil's based on them, if humans in Chainsawman believe in a made up concept, and fear it, then it will exist as a devil, even ways to die could be made from just fearing that made up concept, probably because of that, those types of deaths could be more simple ways to die, none related to humans, that started existing as made up concepts, making those things only limited to humans imagination
 
Arkenis said:
Hey something I've kinda been confused on, but how come we never address this for pages? CSM ate four alternatives other than death at the end of a humans lifespan. I've seen a lot of discussions on it and it seems a bit confusing to people. There's the idea that reincarnation can't be one since that requires death, but it's a fictional verse with made up stuff, reincarnation can happen however Fujimoto imagines it. So reincarnation is a possible one, just not similar to how Re:zero might do it. There's another possible one, changing into a different entity altogether. Kinda like a form of ascension or reincarnation but still different. But I'm kinda wondering about souls/spirits. There's also Aging devil who shows a new form after death, sorta a form of reincarnation but still different, though this could be exclusive to his world and since devil powers don't work there it's likely following its own laws.
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Also, if Pochitas erased "the reincarnation devil" then so Devil's wouldn't reincarnate in hell or earth after dying in one or another (as it's specifically stated to be reincarnation) he couldn't have erased reincarnation itself, nor specifically human reincarnating because I doubt there are 2 separate devil's for devil's reincarnation and humans reincarnation

So pochita not erasing the concept of reincarnation, means that those other concepts related to death could be somehow based in reincarnation too

Reincarnation refers to rebirthing on another body (usually but not necessarily related to souls) so the other ends of a humans lifespan could be turning into other things, like objects or into other types of matter, turning into trees is an innate things to human in CSM (that occurs in such specific conditions that Aging Devil only find out by himself, probably not having a devil of the fear of turning into a tree yet) so maybe they could turn into water, electricity, wind, whatever, in some specific conditions

erasing the concept of that only erases human becoming into that after dying, but not the thing they once could turn into like water, electricy and wind

So deleting those ends of a human lifespan doesn't have to change the world too much nor be so complex
 
Breadbear83 said:
Also, if Pochitas erased "the reincarnation devil" then so Devil's wouldn't reincarnate in hell or earth after dying in one or another (as it's specifically stated to be reincarnation) he couldn't have erased reincarnation itself, nor specifically human reincarnating because I doubt there are 2 separate devil's for devil's reincarnation and humans reincarnation
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It does say living beings life span. I could understand this if Devils have a lifespan but I don't remember that.
 
Regardless of that, it cannot be Reincarnation because Reincarnation exists conceptually. Also, I don't think Fujimoto thought up the 4 other possibilities, I think it's purposefully mysterious.
 
Arkenis said:
It does say living beings life span. I could understand this if Devils have a lifespan but I don't remember that.
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Lifespan doesn't have to mean of dying by aging or sickness, it can be the end of your lifespan if someone shot you and you were bleeding (as it's the time of your death), you die in the same sense wether it was by aging or someone killing you

I think devil's cannot age because at least with primal devil's, they are said to be primordial (thousands of years) never once dying, and never dying by old age

Hybrids also can't age (whip devil remaining young even while being 81 years old) and so maybe fiends also cannot age
 
Breadbear83 said:
Lifespan doesn't have to mean of dying by aging or sickness, it can be the end of your lifespan if someone shot you and you were bleeding (as it's the time of your death), you die in the same sense wether it was by aging or someone killing you

I think devil's cannot age because at least with primal devil's, they are said to be primordial (thousands of years) never once dying, and never dying by old age

Hybrids also can't age (whip devil remaining young even while being 81 years old) and so maybe fiends also cannot age
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I'm just going with the regular definition, which is how long something can live.
 
Arkenis said:
I'm just going with the regular definition, which is how long something can live.
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Yeah, Aki still had a few months left of lifespan and got Makimed. Can't even say it's a decision he made changing something because Makima 100% was going to do that no matter what
 
Breadbear83 said:
I did the calc, it surprisingly got to Mach 548, almost the same as Pochita Coming back from space being Mach 639

also does the Feat being pochita moving 498 meters in an instant counts as travell speed or not? its an higher travell speed than 100% Gun Devil going across the world, and pochita from fear scaling scales above him
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Since the feat involves jumping, can you also get LS as well ?
 
Bruh said:
Since the feat involves jumping, can you also get LS as well ?
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The original AP calc for the same feat got the lifting strength rejected because apparently a year ago jumping feats were being questioned on if they count as lifting strength, unless this last year (or well, mid and later 2025 too) jumping feats now counts as lifting strength again, if it's the case then it would apply
 
Breadbear83 said:
The original AP calc for the same feat got the lifting strength rejected because apparently a year ago jumping feats were being questioned on if they count as lifting strength, unless this last year (or well, mid and later 2025 too) jumping feats now counts as lifting strength again, if it's the case then it would apply
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The OG calc use the destruction of the skyscrapers for LS, i just want to know the LS of jumping at MHS speed kinda like how Star & Stripes from MHA did it
 
Bruh said:
The OG calc use the destruction of the skyscrapers for LS, i just want to know the LS of jumping at MHS speed kinda like how Star & Stripes from MHA did it
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would be like mid-end class G, but i'm not sure how valid those kind of feats will be in the near future
 
Machmatej said:
would be like mid-end class G, but i'm not sure how valid those kind of feats will be in the near future
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Should be higher than the current heart throwinh feat considering the almost equal speed but this time it's the whole mass not just the heart
 
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