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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

Its a problem with her weponification. We would legitly have High 3-A Aquarium Spear otherwise
 
ElajRuengies said:
That's not vaporized, we just never see a clear shot of the hallway again. We have no idea what condition they're in besides that they're dead.
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Idk about that man. If you go frame-by-frame, her explosion does indeed blast apart the suit:

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Alexander said:
yeah, why are we assuming that the weapons are weaker than the thing they were created on?
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no no, I was joking by saying that, if we're scaling the weapons to the "real things", H6A Orgeon (the state).
Her Oregon's sword ain't escaping "Far Higher" in A.P.
 
VoidGoji said:
Its a problem with her weponification. We would legitly have High 3-A Aquarium Spear otherwise
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This was already debunked
Acertainbcplayer said:
More like this:
Eternity affects Aquarium -> Created a pocket dimension that functions differently than the one in part 1, but still the same building sized -> Yoru turned the aquarium into the spear -> The pocket dimension the size of a building vanished, not what's inside it.

There ya go, done
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Im with Alexander in this one. Aquarium is not a truly infinite 3-D structure, but one infinitely looped version of an aquarium. If anything Yoru's weaponification just supercedes spatial hax by ignoring range and once the very thing Eternity used space manip on changed into Yoru's weapon it just came undone.
 
Assuming that you're talking about your second question considering that I have answered your first one, yes, Yoru could turn Goku into a weapon in an equal speed confrontation similar to the one had between her and the falling devil.
 
GunshyFever said:
Assuming that you're talking about your second question considering that I have answered your first one, yes, Yoru could turn Goku into a weapon in an equal speed confrontation similar to the one had between her and the falling devil.
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Yoru Vs Kid Goku but he survives being turned into a weapon because being fate protected (probably a normal occurrence for OG DB, ngl)
 
GodEarh206 said:
Assuming that you're talking about your second question considering that I have answered your first one, yes, Yoru could turn Goku into a weapon in an equal speed confrontation similar to the one had between her and the falling devil.
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not that im referring to the 1st question where i asked why the sword having h6a dura doesnt mean it has h6a striking strength
 
but then again, can we recapitule on all the weapon she mades and see if there is any discrepancy in their power?
 
Breadbear83 said:
do you all think the speed calc of yorus moon flag spear would also rely on denjiman reaction speed and how far away he could see the spear coming at him (cuz he definitively didnt see it all the way from space) it depends on that it would take him a fraction of a second to move just a few meters to dodge it based on his at least massively hypersonic speed and at what distance did he see and started reacting to the spear

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this is based on the following:

as pochitas profile says, pochita has greatly enhanced senses, when he was thrown in space by makima, he precicely throw his heart exactly for it to land and regenerate on the battlefield against makima and the hybrids, and hearing kobeni quietly whispering for help miles away, and he finding aging devil with the other public safety hunters and arriving there in less than a minute

based on this calc that is used for pochita coming back from space, pochita was about 2000 kilometers (1973584.27786 m) from the battlefield in tokyo: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ElJoaki5/Chainsaw_Man:_Pochita_Comes_Back_From_Space

this means pochita (and denjiman too) may react and see something from 2000 kilometers, he sensing where aging devil is, if aging devil was in far a way part of japan from pochita was, then that also supports this a bit

so denjiman wouldnt see the spear coming at him until it was 2000 kilometers from coming to him, thats less than 1% of the distance from earth to the moon (384000 kilometers), to make it simple, lets say the moon its 200 times further than denjimans senses can see

if it took even only one second for the spear to travell all the way from the moon to the earth, then it took denjiman 0,005 seconds to react to it and dodge it

if he has at least 639 mach speed from Part 1 pochita (its travel speed, its calculate from he throwing his hearth from space), then, because mach 639 crosses 219,1 kilometers in a second (343 meters multiplied by 639, speed of sound by mach speed) then in 0,005 seconds hed cross 1,1 kilometers, and in this panel he moved a few dozens of meters at best

denjiman moved many meters from where the spear landed on

its possible the spear got all the way to earth in even less than a second, otherwise, if it took longer denjiman wouldnt have easily reacted to it much faster, but if it was much faster, like reaching earth in less than 0,01 seconds, then denjiman wouldnt have even reacted to it

hypotethically, if denjiman senses werent able to see or sense something from 2000 kilometers away, but rather a shorter distance, then that means higher reaction speed for denji or/and the spear moving slower

it depends if its agreed of denjiman seeing the spear coming at him from 2000 kilometers away

if not, then the spear being slower than 1 second to reach earth may aswell just be an antifeat to denjimans reaction speed and enhanced senses

even then, faster than light Chainsawman verse, even if it applies to only 1 character ability seems a lot, FTL tier for it its still fine


TL:DR
denjiman has senses from pochita that can see or sense from 2000 kilometers away, thats the distance that denjiman started noticing the spear coming at him, if the spear took 1 second to reach him, then he reacted around 0,005 second before it hit him, in 0,005 seconds denjiman could move further than a kilometer with his at least mach 639 speed (travell speed too), therefore the spear wouldnt have been so close to hit him for him to say ´´i almost got speared!´´
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Something something calc stacking, just scale him to the spear's speed: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:GunshyFever/Yoru_spears_Denji
 
Sammy818 said:
Is the 2000 kilometer thing he’s talking about officially agreed or no? Cuz lowkey that sounds like a lowball, tho if there is an agreed Pochita sense distance we could find a timeframe for the dodge
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i i made the comment, its my bad because it do be a bit of calc stacking on the speed

pochita does have enhanced sense in his profile, one of the feats is the aging devil one i mentioned that, with japans size, could be from at even hundreds of kilometers, the distance from pochita to the battlefield when he was blast to space is agreed to be 2000 kilometers but it wasnt mentioned as specifically also one of his senses feats, id say thats a enhanced senses feat because of the precision to throw his hearth accurately on the battlefield and knowing the current locations of the hybrids and makima so he can use his chains as soon as he regenerates. on distance to sense but not sure if its fair to take it into account for moon flag spear speed calc, also makima do definitively has those 2000 kilometers sense because she saw pochita ripping his hearth out from space, but makima having those senses shouldnt be an absolute argument for pochita having them, thats not chainscalable

pochitas enhanced senses in his profile:


anyway does anyone know about the map that was used for gun devil crossing the world calc i said on my previos comment?
 
Breadbear83 said:
i i made the comment, its my bad because it do be a bit of calc stacking on the speed

pochita does have enhanced sense in his profile, one of the feats is the aging devil one i mentioned that, with japans size, could be from at even hundreds of kilometers, the distance from pochita to the battlefield when he was blast to space is agreed to be 2000 kilometers but it wasnt mentioned as specifically also one of his senses feats, id say thats a enhanced senses feat because of the precision to throw his hearth accurately on the battlefield and knowing the current locations of the hybrids and makima so he can use his chains as soon as he regenerates. on distance to sense but not sure if its fair to take it into account for moon flag spear speed calc, also makima do definitively has those 2000 kilometers sense because she saw pochita ripping his hearth out from space, but makima having those senses shouldnt be an absolute argument for pochita having them, thats not chainscalable

pochitas enhanced senses in his profile:


anyway does anyone know about the map that was used for gun devil crossing the world calc i said on my previos comment?
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Sammy818 said:
Is the 2000 kilometer thing he’s talking about officially agreed or no? Cuz lowkey that sounds like a lowball, tho if there is an agreed Pochita sense distance we could find a timeframe for the dodge
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Yeah, thing is, this ain't Pochiman's feat, it's Denjiman's
 
Breadbear83 said:
i i made the comment, its my bad because it do be a bit of calc stacking on the speed

pochita does have enhanced sense in his profile, one of the feats is the aging devil one i mentioned that, with japans size, could be from at even hundreds of kilometers, the distance from pochita to the battlefield when he was blast to space is agreed to be 2000 kilometers but it wasnt mentioned as specifically also one of his senses feats, id say thats a enhanced senses feat because of the precision to throw his hearth accurately on the battlefield and knowing the current locations of the hybrids and makima so he can use his chains as soon as he regenerates. on distance to sense but not sure if its fair to take it into account for moon flag spear speed calc, also makima do definitively has those 2000 kilometers sense because she saw pochita ripping his hearth out from space, but makima having those senses shouldnt be an absolute argument for pochita having them, thats not chainscalable

pochitas enhanced senses in his profile:


anyway does anyone know about the map that was used for gun devil crossing the world calc i said on my previos comment?
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I asked DMUA (the guy who calculated gun devil feat) about the map and he said the link to the already made map is indeed gone, that he doesn't remember a lot about the calc as it has seen 6 years since he made it

He said I could made the map manually, but not sure how to to do it because of the flaws I saw on the calc, I had a text with the flaws that i saw to share but it's on another phone saved and it's nighttime, tomorrow I'll check it and share it

I guess the shortest path for gun devil to take to hit all this countries would be 20000-25000km instead if following this path:

Start at canada, go south to the United states and mexico, then west to Hawaii, further west to Japan, then china and India

From India, go north to the small gap where you can go from India to the Soviet union

That would make a semi "U" shape path where the most time gun devil would be in the ocean would be from going from Hawaii to Japan


The problems with the feat were around the time not being exactly 5 minutes of he destroying stuff even if based on makimas statement (if you sum every country time he was destroying, it's around 7 minutes), inconsistencies of the time he was in each country based on their sizes (like if he was just running in circles in the Soviet union for 210 seconds while he was just 2 seconds on mexico, the Soviet union isn't even close to 100 times the size of mexico)

And specially if he was actually present in each country he attacked or if he used his guns to remotely hitting some countries without landing on them (like he does having his shots going hundred of kilometers in chapters 70+ in gun devil arc, the gun devil feat by DMAU was made a year before gun devil shown that his bullets can go very far, so the feat calc didn't consider that as it wasn't even shown yet

I'll explain it in more detail tomorrow, but even then this feat recalc is not so important and not many characters would scale to it, there's already gun devil bullets speed being mach 1390 from an accepted calc, thought that isn't travell speed like he going across earth would be
 
You should make a calc group discussion thread about it, and I agree that many of the older calcs need revising.
 
GunshyFever said:
You should make a calc group discussion thread about it, and I agree that many of the older calcs need revising.
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Ok, tomorrow (well, today in a few hours actually) I'll prepare a post for it, I hope they answer

The gun devil one seems more of it needing the revision for it being inaccurate and hard to scale

Acertainbcplayer said:
Yeah, thing is, this ain't Pochiman's feat, it's Denjiman's
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It's left vague for now if denjiman fusion also has the enhanced senses of pochita, once his profile start being build it would be discussed properly

Denji describes the fusion as they fusing their brains and denji getting pochitas "devil powers"

Calling enhanced senses as exactly as one of pochitas devil powers that denjiman gets is up to the reader, it's not guaranteed that it counts as

Closest thing I could think of denjiman enhanced senses is he somehow throwing his chains as soon a he appeared to grab yorus devil friends, who were behind buildings in chapter 223, that's like when pochita somehow knew were aging devil was far away, and denjiman knowing were the doors to hell is in the most recent chapter (unless conveniently the doors was meters away), but thats a far fetched feat for enhanced senses
 
Breadbear83 said:
I asked DMUA (the guy who calculated gun devil feat) about the map and he said the link to the already made map is indeed gone, that he doesn't remember a lot about the calc as it has seen 6 years since he made it

He said I could made the map manually, but not sure how to to do it because of the flaws I saw on the calc, I had a text with the flaws that i saw to share but it's on another phone saved and it's nighttime, tomorrow I'll check it and share it

I guess the shortest path for gun devil to take to hit all this countries would be 20000-25000km instead if following this path:

Start at canada, go south to the United states and mexico, then west to Hawaii, further west to Japan, then china and India

From India, go north to the small gap where you can go from India to the Soviet union

That would make a semi "U" shape path where the most time gun devil would be in the ocean would be from going from Hawaii to Japan


The problems with the feat were around the time not being exactly 5 minutes of he destroying stuff even if based on makimas statement (if you sum every country time he was destroying, it's around 7 minutes), inconsistencies of the time he was in each country based on their sizes (like if he was just running in circles in the Soviet union for 210 seconds while he was just 2 seconds on mexico, the Soviet union isn't even close to 100 times the size of mexico)

And specially if he was actually present in each country he attacked or if he used his guns to remotely hitting some countries without landing on them (like he does having his shots going hundred of kilometers in chapters 70+ in gun devil arc, the gun devil feat by DMAU was made a year before gun devil shown that his bullets can go very far, so the feat calc didn't consider that as it wasn't even shown yet

I'll explain it in more detail tomorrow, but even then this feat recalc is not so important and not many characters would scale to it, there's already gun devil bullets speed being mach 1390 from an accepted calc, thought that isn't travell speed like he going across earth would be
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Just gives us a summary
 
Pochita might've had FTL scaling under our noses even before the great spear, as he was able to consume the Death Devil before Yoru could weaponize the Death Devil and at such close range at that. Edit: He actually does this multiple times.
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Chainsaw Man: Yoru weaponification speed

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The current calc for her feat was evaluated but then rejected by DUMA for reason I don't agree with. So I'll a discussion thread about it.
Pochita wasn't really going all out in that calc either, so the calc assumptions should probably be changed.
 
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GunshyFever said:
I believe it goes without saying that Denji-Man is just Denji with Pochita's body and devil abilities, nothing states otherwise.
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Pochita can easily be prooven to scale to Denchita since Yoru dodges one of Denjis attacks and pochita scales to yoru
 
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