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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

Anyone calc Reze multicolor explosion snap that she did after Typhoon death yet ? (The big mushroom cloud lookin one)
 
After being unable to see the movie in theaters and seeing it on digital, I finally watched the CSM movie
Absolute cinema, I see why it was so well loved.
My hate for Makima was rekindled, expect more matchups post Gunshy's CRT in 2027 or whenever I find a character than has wincons against Makima while she unfortunately has her own
 
ElJoaki5 said:

Fragmentation here. It fragments first and then compresses
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I don't think the ability itself is fragmenting anything here though, the structural integrity of the buildings is being compromised from the earth bending and then being upside down. The right side up buildings have almost no cracks and as you approach the bend they begin to crack right side first. (Even then the buildings are not even fully fragmented in the panel)

I guess it couldddd be used but compressive force calc would be like ten times as accurate for what happens.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
I don't think the ability itself is fragmenting anything here though, the structural integrity of the buildings is being compromised from the earth bending and then being upside down. The right side up buildings have almost no cracks and as you approach the bend they begin to crack right side first. (Even then the buildings are not even fully fragmented in the panel)

I guess it couldddd be used but compressive force calc would be like ten times as accurate for what happens.
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I dunno how to do a compression calc
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Nor really, or more like not that I know how

I eyed it to be around the same height when I first did the rough calc, so I went with the 14 something meters height.

Man, angsizing really just doesn't work for this one.
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Here's my version, it's pretty simple. I do feel quite strongly that using the effects of gravity which is a constant is better that guesstimating FTE speed. The shot you used to pixel scale the building also suffers from elongation from the perspective and Makima is not particularly close to that from the other shots we see to reliably use her as a reference.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Reze torpedo speed

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And this calc is just not usable.

In order to use this method to determine a timeframe the explosion has to be caused by a explosive, in other words by a reactive substance that contains a great amount of potential energy that can produce an explosion if released suddenly, usually accompanied by the production of light, heat, sound, and pressure.

That means that explosions caused through things like supernatural powers, lasers, lightning etc. can not be calculated using this method.
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Reze just causes explosions out of thin air with supernatural powers... you cannot use explosive speeds of random substances.
 
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PhantomØ4 said:
Reze just causes explosions out of thin air with supernatural powers... you cannot use explosive speeds of random substances.
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That's for her regular explosions, her torpedo explosions are functionally different as they actually work as the method described.
 
GunshyFever said:
That's for her regular explosions, her torpedo explosions are functionally different as they actually work as the method described.
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Was this discussed previously or is this an argument you are making? I would guess the latter given that the calc itself makes no mention of what explosive type its using (likely TNT though from what I know modern torpedos are more likely to have more PDX, not an expert though nor have I looked into it much). If so I don't understand why given that all she does is shape her arm into a torpedo from what I recall there is no mention of creating any substance or even re-creating an actual torpedo with her generating multiple separate explosions from a single torpedo kick too... doesn't seem like she is manifesting an actual torpedo she then explodes.
 
GunshyFever said:
That's for her regular explosions, her torpedo explosions are functionally different as they actually work as the method described.
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Sorry for the double post but I had to check the feat again and to further back the fact that the explosions should not be treated as if they were moving at real detonation speeds is the fact that the train in the scene can be seen moving quite quickly as the explosions happen in the background in what the calc is treating as some milliseconds.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
I do feel quite strongly that using the effects of gravity which is a constant is better that guesstimating FTE speed.
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Me think using FTE for Reze is not that far-fetched considering she can blitz Denji in her human form
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Here's my version, it's pretty simple. I do feel quite strongly that using the effects of gravity which is a constant is better that guesstimating FTE speed. The shot you used to pixel scale the building also suffers from elongation from the perspective and Makima is not particularly close to that from the other shots we see to reliably use her as a reference.
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Eh, the blood really isn't a good one to use imo, Reze is moving so dang fast that the blood would've gained extra velocity on some direction that using math for it would be hell to evaluate (just like my calc here)

Due to the tight timeframe drags and such matters so much its crazy

Plus, we also knew that Reze can slash so fast it is clearly FTE for human Denji.
 
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Acertainbcplayer said:
Eh, the blood really isn't a good one to use imo, Reze is moving so dang fast that the blood would've gained extra velocity on some direction that using math for it would be hell to evaluate (just like my calc here)

Due to the tight timeframe drags and such matters so much its crazy

Plus, we also knew that Reze can slash so fast it is clearly FTE for human Denji.
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Actually, the blood is launched upwards and towards the right for the most part, I purposely used the only droplet that didn’t gain any upwards momentum so if anything the result would be lower without accounting for that momentum.

I’ve also spoken about the whole “but this character can do this elsewhere” with CGM like Agnaa and it’s generally not… supported.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Actually, the blood is launched upwards and towards the right for the most part, I purposely used the only droplet that didn’t gain any upwards momentum so if anything the result would be lower without accounting for that momentum.

I’ve also spoken about the whole “but this character can do this elsewhere” with CGM like Agnaa and it’s generally not… supported.
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Hm... Well I still lean more on the easier FTE calc tbh, this method might be a bit convoluted for CGMs to even evaluate, like I said, just like my old Yoru calc.

And the thing is? That feat wouldn't really be counted as Angel's physicals, since the spear got some divine light I think it's safe to say its hax, so it wouldn't affect much but Angel himself.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
I’ve also spoken about the whole “but this character can do this elsewhere” with CGM like Agnaa and it’s generally not… supported.
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Eh idk about other verses but at least from what ive seen in MHA using supersonic for calc because "character A is faster than character B who can produce shockwave" seems pretty common
 
Bruh said:
Eh idk about other verses but at least from what ive seen in MHA using supersonic for calc because "character A is faster than character B who can produce shockwave" seems pretty common
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LmpwZw

By enemy i'm not talking about MHA, just Bakugou.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Hm... Well I still lean more on the easier FTE calc tbh, this method might be a bit convoluted for CGMs to even evaluate, like I said, just like my old Yoru calc.

And the thing is? That feat wouldn't really be counted as Angel's physicals, since the spear got some divine light I think it's safe to say its hax, so it wouldn't affect much but Angel himself.
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Your old Yoru calc is like 30 billion times more convoluted than my 5 line calc. 😭😭 How is my thing convoluted, it’s extremely basic.

I’m not even doing this because the other result is too high btw, I simply think that if you have a known constant it should be preferred over random subsonic value.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Your old Yoru calc is like 30 billion times more convoluted than my 5 line calc. 😭😭 How is my thing convoluted, it’s extremely basic.

I’m not even doing this because the other result is too high btw, I simply think that if you have a known constant it should be preferred over random subsonic value.
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Ah sorry, not convoluted, it's more like hard to really see what's going on. The pixel calc in your calc says the blood moved 5px, but well I couldn't really see it. Plus the blood vanished afterwards, that means there are other velocity than downwards at play there.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Ah sorry, not convoluted, it's more like hard to really see what's going on. The pixel calc in your calc says the blood moved 5px, but well I couldn't really see it. Plus the blood vanished afterwards, that means there are other velocity than downwards at play there.
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The blood vanishing is just a stylistic choice, we see other blood droplets vanishing mid air as the camera pans towards Makima. The blood droplets would last less than a second in mid air when they are a few pixels across so it makes sense why they would just make them vanish in animation where everything has to be drawn intentionally.

Anyways. Don’t think we’ll arrive to a middle ground on this so no worries.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
You didn’t do that in your calc. Check before answering. 😔 “so volume is 150504 (km) * 1000 * 270 (m) = 40636080000m^3 or 4.0636E+16 cm^3”
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Ah, dangit I see what you meant now, you meant it should've been 1000 times higher right?

thanks for the discovery btw
 
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Acertainbcplayer said:
High 8-C reze will be no more, I shall calc her 2nd largest explosion now (dunno if between that and her whip which would yield more result)
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The 2 biggest explosion that ive noticed are the mushroom cloud looking one and the second torpedo one thay she lauched at around 1:20:30 (that Beam tanked)
 
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