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There’s the other example of the building sword being made from a 6 storey building and she can easily lift it but then she can’t lift a 4 storey building.
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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
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Arkenis
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How does this mean the swords mass isn't equal to what was used to make it? KE is a swords main attribute.
Why can't she lift a 4storey building? This is literally her at her strongest.
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When Asa was using the building sword, she couldn’t lift a 4 storey building even though the sword should be heavier if the mass actually carried over
Arkenis
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Oh what chapter did she not lift the building? That's Asa too, not Yoru now.
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205-206. Asa was actually the one who escaped by blasting out with gun
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Yoru getting stronger now doesn’t matter to my point. What I’m saying is that Yoru’s ability to lift a weapon doesn’t translate to her ability to lift the source object.I guess at that point she was just weak, but Yoru's got an amp since then. Also, she can hold all her weapons while Denji's saying its too heavy.
That gun being too heavy to Denji actually just supports my point. Her weapons have normal weight so when she expands Tank it actually becomes heavy so neither Tank and Gun as arms actually have weight close to their source unless Yoru expands them. Also like Yoru would definitely have super strength beyond human Denji.
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Yoru could crush you with the mass of the state themselves if you're inside of them though. That's the furthest I'll go regarding the whole KE stuff
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But that isn’t even how it seems to work since everyone in Michigan got dropped in the ocean
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Are we going to start Yoru matches where it takes place in Oregon or sum sh
Arkenis
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Then why bring up a moment of her not being strong to get from under a building? I'd be incline to agree if the swords had some specific function, but it's just a strong sword
As I said, the gauntlets function isn't in their mass, so it makes sense the mass from the devils isn't in them. And you guys have base Denji and Asa as Class 5, the buildings mass isn't entirely on Asa, I don't see how you're arguing she can't push off a section of the building here.
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Because the point I am making is that her weapons don’t have the weight of the source. I don’t get what is difficult about this. Yoru can’t lift a building. In this same fight Yoru turns a bigger building into a sword. She can lift the sword. Therefore Yoru’s weapons don’t keep the weight of the original object used to make them.
It is a fact that she couldn’t lift the building. She herself says she is trapped. If you’re even agreeing Gun and Tank are not heavy then that’s just further evidence. The super strong uniform sword is another piece of evidence.
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same FTL speed for her Gun and Tank feat, but the speed of which the state forms into a sword is surely magnitude below that.
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Yeah, iirc Yoru can't lift the building she was stucked under, but can easily lift the building sword. It makes total sense huh
Arkenis
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You're ignoring a lot. I'll try to explain one more time.
If the weapon's function isn't based in mass like swords usually are, then it makes sense the mass won't be held in it. The gauntlets follow this and you bringing up another sword does nothing for your point.
Her being trapped is a massive anti-feat I won't ignore that but that's a topic for a different time. And I reread the fight, Yoru stops FD's attack, this requires LS comparable to FD, who is listed as Class G. There's also the 606 sword, for some reason that is listed as Class G, but I don't get the logic there either. When swinging a sword, the sharpness only matter if you swing it hard enough, otherwise no cutting happens. So Asa's feat with her room sword, unless I'm missing some scale chain that make it superior to every other sword, would mean that's just Yoru's strength that breaks her free from the otcopus.
So no, the mass of the sword has no reason to be reduced because a gauntlet doesn't have the mass of the devils used, the weapons' functions are different.
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Yoru’s weapons are supernatural. Mass doesn’t matter. The super strong uniform sword literally dices Yuko to bits on physical contact. You keep not getting my point. If the super strong uniform sword is really powerful then it is another showing that the mass of the object doesn’t matter because it is a sword made of clothing so if weight is so important for a sword, why is a weapon made of clothes powerful?
Dude that’s boosted Yoru matching Falling. Falling shouldn’t even be class G since it’s scaling her to Gun Devil but that isn’t even how devils work. Being superior doesn’t mean greater physical stats across the board (unless we’re saying Pochita >> Darkness). Weapons scale up with guilt. Asa owned that room so she felt guilty weaponising it that is what makes it powerful.
Can you give me a single instance were Yoru’s weapon is shown keeping the mass of the original? If you can’t then this isn’t just an anti feat, it is how her power functions. Also if Yoru’s weapons are too heavy then it is a useless weapon.
Arkenis
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You're ignoring my point again. The function is what determines how relevant the physics is to the weapon. Her uniform sword function has zero to do with it's sword use. The sword is a durability negation sword, not a regular sword like the others seem to be. This is my exact point with the gauntlets btw.
Well I hope you're making a crt for that then, because it really makes this argument pointless if not.
It's an assumption. But please, explain to me what's being compressed or destroyed for the sword's creation? Where's all the mass going? Idk how you've convinced yourself the compression/destruction method is fine yet the KE, the one that acknowledges mass is present, isn't.
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Why the heck are arguing physics and irl weapon logic so hard for Yoru’s magic weapons that can do random stuff like cut people they didn’t cut, change size and store weapons in hammer space?
I probably will tbh it’s weird that the Primal’s scaling logic is they are transcendent and have really high stats but they’ve been hurt by people below them on the pecking order.
So you admit it is an assumption. Not only is it an assumption that all mass is retained but it is contradicted on multiple occasions. Hey when did I say the compression method would scale to her stats at all? Hmmmm good question. Where is the mass of Gun Devil going?
Arkenis
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Lmao, you're still tryna equate them all.
Yeah, like most calcs do, we tend to assume things are or assume they just disappear, like you are doing. I never said you said it'd scale to compression, I asked how you rationalize one method is fine where mass is involved and manipulated but in KE, you don't. Do we really gotta over how high LS isn't represented accurately every time? Still tryna equate the weapons lmao.
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Can we just stop at 6-B dura sword with maybe 6-B AP with sacrifice? Like didn't we see Pochiter just overwhelmed Yoru with her sword with sheer physical stats despite her already matching him bare hands before?
Like saying Pochiter somehow got to like 6-B - 6-A physically despite having little to 0 things to based off of is crazy (unless it's revealed that Pochiter somehow got stronger by eating Death idk)
Like saying Pochiter somehow got to like 6-B - 6-A physically despite having little to 0 things to based off of is crazy (unless it's revealed that Pochiter somehow got stronger by eating Death idk)
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Well I'll be damned. You just erased the entire scaling line with this sentence.
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Is the GD bullet relativistic or sub relaitvistic?
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If it's the building and gun devil thing, cant you shrink something but still have the same mass?
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You can by raising the density, which would mean it weighs the same while having a smaller mass.
This is not how Yoru's weapons work, however.
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how?
also side question, but how come fake chainsaw man is mhs+ but the god tiers like pochita arent
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not updated, updating profiles need crts, but making new ones doesn't
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+ we're waiting for the movie to release digitally, as well as the movie canonicity blog, to make the lower teir scaling flow better.
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what exactly?
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Is this real??
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Aquarium Spear breaks the idea of scaling Yoru's weapons to their supposed mass. Unless we go with "Yoru's power overwrote Eternity's, thus making the building not infinite in size before turning it into a weapon"
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I definitely think Yoru's weaponization of the aquarium neutralized the Eternity Devil's power over the aquarium. It's just a like one weapon that changes hands between two devils.
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That's also very reasonable
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Hopefully we get more angles next chapter.
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