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Yeah, only way more potent.
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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
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Tengen vs Quanxi is a valid matchup as is. No demon slayer character aside from Muzan and maybe kokushibo has showcased aura that is really noteworthy, like at best they scare their opponents for a second, then the opponent just composes themselves and are fine to fight afterwards.
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Well unfortunately tengen has that in his Pfp
im gonna assume Abit but I feel like the reason he has this is cuz Akaza stated that everyone has a battle spirit in the verse even children but like abit
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Yeah that really needs to be removed, or at least altered cause no one has caused any external bleeding with their aura alone except for Muzan. I remember that this used to be an issue back then (Where KnY characters would stomp due to aura even though it doesn't have any feats of that level). I thought it would be fixed by now.
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It really depends on interpretation. From a distance, his fear manipulation only seemed to affect fiends who have enhanced senses considering they were the only ones visibly freaking out. The devil hunters only started panicking after Pingsti described what they were about to face, which would fall under social influencing. Quanxi should have resistance to that, given her nonchalant girlboss personality causing her to be unmoved.
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In conclusion though, the Darkness Devil’s fear and madness manip, from a certain range, appear to only work on those with enhanced senses. This should be noted on his profile as well
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well I heard that the fear hax might be getting layers soon idk if its a fix but they are atleast doing smth with it
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dang ig quanxi vs tengen is a stomp due to tengen's passive fear Haxs (atleast that's what I hear people call the battle aura)
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It's a major sourcing issue that Tengen’s profile has no scans at all, which is explicitly against wiki rules
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all of them besides gyutaro (which only has the paralysis scan) has no scans
edit: I meant no scans to the fear Haxs eijsksh
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Nah, you can argue that Denji, Quanxi and Angel would have felt his presence too (Just fear and madness manip, not the bio stare)
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can people even argue with things that aren't in their pfps
like yeah I could argue that (which I'm terrible at arguing)
but that isn't really in their pfp
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pfp? I can give you the content of the minor CRT and you can create it.
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No, the rules states that something has to be in the character's profiles for it to be useable in the forum I'm pretty sure.
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profile
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Does the Hybrids have enhanced senses when they are not transformed ?
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If people are using Tengen's fear hax as a wincon, cant you ask them to show scans and watch as they helplessly look for sth that isnt even linked on his profile
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They don’t. But Denji was partially transformed and even in that state his devil abilities still manifested, albeit in a minor way. Looking at it now, the CRT doesn’t even make much sense anymore, considering that everyone except Quanxi we're sweating bullets.
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The way its worded here implies that imo, because no one is gonna look for denji as a transformed fiend all the time.
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I think the humans were mostly sweating due to the knowledge of what they are up against not because they were affected by Darkness fear hax
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Immense pain tolerance and supernatural willpower will do that to you
Ik its probably not enough to give her fear hax resistance but its so funny to see how unbothered quanxi is here, as opposed to everyone else
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the power of being a lesbian
Ik its probably not enough to give her fear hax resistance but its so funny to see how unbothered quanxi is here, as opposed to everyone else
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Denji isn’t human or devil, the only reason they could sense him is because of his heart. The only notable takeaway from that scan is that devils have keen senses, particularly smell, which makes it hard to hide Denji from devil contractors. Now, devil contracts work in various different ways, meaning it does not have to be directly tied to the contractor, but the devil's themselves. But, he also seems like he's referring to a universal standard. So if you can prove the premise, or at least establish some basis for the idea that gaining a devil contract enhances your senses, it might be valid
The point is that everyone who sensed the presence was affected by it
It's still resistance to social influencing. It's also standard Devil Hunter knowledge and training to always keep a cool head in battle
Works. Also, would'nt supernatural willpower be considered a counter to fear manip? Varying on the feat, you could; resist mental attacks, overcome illusions or fear inducement, maintain clarity under pressure etc..
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I think it's a case by case thing, if the Supernatural willpower of a verse is shown/stated to give resistance to fear manip then yeah it's a counter. We shouldnt assume every verse's Supernatural willpower gives the same power/resistance
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What I meant is that a character doesn't necessarily need a direct resistance to fear manipulation. Take Quanxi as an example, based on what we know, she doesn't seem to have any explicit resistance to it. However, she does demonstrate supernatural willpower. While others were panicking and losing their minds, she was simply being calm. In a different scenario, against someone with fear manipulation abilities that can affect her, it's plausible she could still press on through sheer force of will. In this context, her supernatural willpower acts as a form of resistance, which allows her to keep fighting despite overwhelming odds
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Ig it depends on the other person feats and potency with fear hax to determine how effective Supernatural willpower at resisting it
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Guys, regarding the new Fox KE calc, how should I apply it to Fox now? The KE was accepted with a subsonic end so how should I deal with that? Also the building level head ramming KE basically overlaps with it's building level Teeth that scales to Leech of all thing, so do I just list it as "higher" or is there any better way to deal with it?
Man, would biting speed be valid for attack speed too? Maybe I should calc that one too.
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Man, would biting speed be valid for attack speed too? Maybe I should calc that one too.
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You need a CRTGuys, regarding the new Fox KE calc, how should I apply it to Fox now? The KE was accepted with a subsonic end so how should I deal with that? Also the building level head ramming KE basically overlaps with it's building level Teeth that scales to Leech of all thing, so do I just list it as "higher" or is there any better way to deal with it?
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I'll look at the scaling chain later and see how stuff gets affected.Guys, regarding the new Fox KE calc, how should I apply it to Fox now? The KE was accepted with a subsonic end so how should I deal with that? Also the building level head ramming KE basically overlaps with it's building level Teeth that scales to Leech of all thing, so do I just list it as "higher" or is there any better way to deal with it?
Man, would biting speed be valid for attack speed too? Maybe I should calc that one too.
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Basically you can fear hax someone who can no sell another fear hax to the point it seems like they dont even have any fear resist.
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Basically being scarier
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The most worrying thing rn isn't even AP, as Fox's speed is now calced at subsonic, where would the speed CRT even go now...
I tried to calc for Fox's biting speed, and it's literally Mach .02 slower than Long blocking bullets, though still you'll need travel speed to dodge Fox's attack so it doesn't really matter I guess? Also, do you think Fox biting speed is needed? If yes then I'll add it for evaluation, since now Fox has speed crisis instead...
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You're concerned over nothing. Character speed ratings aren't locked in to the speed measured in calcs.
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I think so, too
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Any good matchups for Gun Devil I wonder? Man, Gun Devil deserves a matchup fr.
Also, dying (if not dead) matchup here, save it guys:
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I wonder if God Hands from Beserk vs Primal Fears is a good idea or not (Aging is the only possible candidate anyways...)
Also, dying (if not dead) matchup here, save it guys:
Falling Devil vs Kakine Teitoku
speed equalized (doesn't apply for Kakine's SoL attacks, or anything that might be faster that he could throw out), Pre-revival Kakine, fight happens in Academy City otherwise SBA Falling: Kakine: Inconclusive:
I wonder if God Hands from Beserk vs Primal Fears is a good idea or not (Aging is the only possible candidate anyways...)
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Sukuna or Cid Kagenou? I guess
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honestly, should I just close my Tengen vs Quanxi Matchup?
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