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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

GunshyFever said:
That is true, but you are forgetting that when Pochita transforms, he is naturally low on blood from the toll of the transformation scrap that, he has only ever low on blood because Yoru opened up his stomach. Hence why he got taken out when he was begging for some. In contrast, we have the Yoru fight where he ate Barem and was feasting on mountains of Devils heaped up like chum. He had plenty of blood and reserves to fight Yoru and he did, considering that we see he definitely took her seriously this time around. This contrasts with earlier, where he chose to go beg for blood near a donor instead of finishing her off.
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Oh yeah he definitely had more blood options during the Yoru fight, but when he was going around begging for blood prior to the Gun Goddess shot, he was still full bodied and capable of moving around, plus when he took Nuclear Punch and the state swords he wasn't eating other devils mid fight, so I guess it just carried over from the initial dogpile? blood amount for healing is really inconsistent lol

He was definitely more serious the second time around considering Death says as much, but even then he wasn't like, holding back I feel? Like he still did go in for the kill against Yoru the first time, he gets BANGed, then goes around asking for blood like in the Makima fight. He just didn't go for the EE move.
 
Even if we ignore the swords scaling to the mass/compression value of their creation i can see them maybe being above GG out of sheer cost alone, and he was shown blocking them with Chainsaws, even if his body was getting split clean.

With GG he didnt even get a chance to brace himself, as he was sneak attacked, but there's also the though part where his Chainsaws got shattered, it's also a single attack and is technically an ability the Gun Devil can tap into through sacrifices.

Said Gun Devil ability that got laughed off by Aging, wich got confirmed by Yoru herself, Said Gun Devil that should be weaker than Pochita, who got compared to a Primal.

Yeah, it's just tough to scale. There's simply no clean answer that clears everything.
 
IbukiDoujisGiantTail said:
Oh yeah he definitely had more blood options during the Yoru fight, but when he was going around begging for blood prior to the Gun Goddess shot, he was still full bodied and capable of moving around, plus when he took Nuclear Punch and the state swords he wasn't eating other devils mid fight, so I guess it just carried over from the initial dogpile? blood amount for healing is really inconsistent lol
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Remember that Pochita can consume a lot of blood and repurpose it later. He is not like an ordinary Devil who needs to constantly drink blood on the spot just to keep regenerating. Even then that only applies to some Devils anyway, since even mid tier Devils like the Ghost Devil can repurpose blood in their own bodies and regenerate limbs at an alarming rate.

My point is that Pochita had a lot more regeneration potential during his final fight with Yoru because he had consumed a massive amount of blood beforehand. However, most of that blood was already wasted by the Oregon and Michigan swords, the Oregon slash and then the nuclear punch which seemed to finish off his reserves. The blood situation can seem inconsistent, but it is better to try and make sense of it rather than just calling it an unlabelled inconsistency. Before the Gun Goddess scene, Pochita had already been badly damaged by Yoru. He was already missing arms, low on blood and his regeneration reserves had already been drained by the previous attacks. So when the Gun Goddess shot him, the damage looked worse because he was not in a normal condition where he could just regenerate through it.

Otherwise that would have been light work for him, especially considering what we see him survive later. I am willing to put Yoru's nuclear key's baseline weapons above the Gun Goddess because of that, but I do not think scaling it above Gun Goddess level is really contentious given the jump in power.
IbukiDoujisGiantTail said:
He was definitely more serious the second time around considering Death says as much, but even then he wasn't like, holding back I feel? Like he still did go in for the kill against Yoru the first time, he gets BANGed, then goes around asking for blood like in the Makima fight. He just didn't go for the EE move.
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Yeah, curious why he disregarded her still.
 
Epiccheev said:
Even if we ignore the swords scaling to the mass/compression value of their creation i can see them maybe being above GG out of sheer cost alone, and he was shown blocking them with Chainsaws, even if his body was getting split clean.

With GG he didnt even get a chance to brace himself, as he was sneak attacked, but there's also the though part where his Chainsaws got shattered, it's also a single attack and is technically an ability the Gun Devil can tap into through sacrifices.

Said Gun Devil ability that got laughed off by Aging, wich got confirmed by Yoru herself, Said Gun Devil that should be weaker than Pochita, who got compared to a Primal.

Yeah, it's just tough to scale. There's simply no clean answer that clears everything.
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Most of them did damage his chainsaws as well so it is not as clean and concise as we would want it to be, considering the unwanted inconsistencies. But we can work with the logic we are given.

Plus, with the fear scaling logic, the Gun Devil should logically be able to tap into an attack that can harm Primals.
GunshyFever said:
As Devils embody the fear of a concept, the more feared that concept is, the more powerful the Devil becomes. Even a relatively minor boost in fear can massively increase a Devil's strength and the effects of their abilities.

This does not only apply to people directly fearing the concept itself. Fear of mental imagery or situations connected to that concept also counts. For example, a person may not fear a car by itself, but fearing being run over and dying by a car would still connect back to the fear of cars, and would therefore empower the Car Devil.

Because of this, once a Devil is more feared than another Devil, their AP and Speed should surpass that Devil's general level of power. However, this does not mean everything automatically scales. A Devil's special abilities can be completely disproportionate to their body's strength, so neither the physicals nor special abilities of a more feared Devil automatically scale above the special abilities of a less feared Devil.
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GunshyFever said:
Remember that Pochita can consume a lot of blood and repurpose it later. He is not like an ordinary Devil who needs to constantly drink blood on the spot just to keep regenerating. Even then that only applies to some Devils anyway, since even mid tier Devils like the Ghost Devil can repurpose blood in their own bodies and regenerate limbs at an alarming rate.

My point is that Pochita had a lot more regeneration potential during his final fight with Yoru because he had consumed a massive amount of blood beforehand. However, most of that blood was already wasted by the Oregon and Michigan swords, the Oregon slash and then the nuclear punch which seemed to finish off his reserves. The blood situation can seem inconsistent, but it is better to try and make sense of it rather than just calling it an unlabelled inconsistency. Before the Gun Goddess scene, Pochita had already been badly damaged by Yoru. He was already missing arms, low on blood and his regeneration reserves had already been drained by the previous attacks. So when the Gun Goddess shot him, the damage looked worse because he was not in a normal condition where he could just regenerate through it.

Otherwise that would have been light work for him, especially considering what we see him survive later. I am willing to put Yoru's nuclear key's baseline weapons above the Gun Goddess because of that, but I do not think scaling it above Gun Goddess level is really contentious given the jump in power.
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Oh yeah, I mean my whole point is that from the DB, them upscaling Pochita from the initial Gun Goddess shot for EOS Pochita when during the Yoru fight he's both fighting an empowered Yoru and he himself has a fear boost from being considered a fear on par with aging and sickness isn't unreasonable basically. This isn't really my hill about how this absolutely should go on profiles, just more that people are saying that DB considering the Gun Goddess feat as scaleable to Pochita is unreasonable when the surrounding context and story progression from that feat onwards shows its clearly not
 
IbukiDoujisGiantTail said:
generational fumble by the twt crowd. I went into the fight unironically thinking "how funny would it be if DB actually understood the story" and lo and behold they actually understood the themes and such
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Apparently, one of the writers really liked the ending. Knowledge is nourishment for the ignorant. A person who understands the themes and such can actually explain them to the masses? Love to see it.
 
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AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Genuinely speaking I don't think this would've been as bad if they just scaled Denji off anything other than the Oregon sword and Gun Goddess. There's other things they could've scaled him to and he still would've had the stat advantage.

That and JJK fans being JJK fans and getting pissed that their agenda failed them
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Nah ppl would still be angry, u underestimate how much they hate csm
 
Btw I see this fox devil calc is accepted: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Acertainbcplayer/Fox_Devil_KE

It has the feat at 274.76 Kilograms of TNT (8-C), being much higher than his other currently used feat: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...insaw_Man:_Slight_ReCalcs#Fox_Chomps_Building

Many 9A characters like Post training base Denji scales to the second fox devil feat rather than the lower Power Feat (seen in their statistics explanation)

Dunno what are the arguments of why some low tier characters scale to fox devil (even post ambush Aki physically upscales from his Feat) but it would apply to the 8C upscale?

And lastly, can't remember why Gunshy proposed the Athletic low tier characters speed instead of more characters scaling from Long blocking bullets being subsonic+, but wouldn't characters having superhuman physical characteristics in their profiles already give Superhuman speed? Guess I'll wait for the CRT about it
 
Breadbear83 said:
Btw I see this fox devil calc is accepted: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Acertainbcplayer/Fox_Devil_KE

It has the feat at 274.76 Kilograms of TNT (8-C), being much higher than his other currently used feat: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...insaw_Man:_Slight_ReCalcs#Fox_Chomps_Building

Many 9A characters like Post training base Denji scales to the second fox devil feat rather than the lower Power Feat (seen in their statistics explanation)

Dunno what are the arguments of why some low tier characters scale to fox devil (even post ambush Aki physically upscales from his Feat) but it would apply to the 8C upscale?
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No idea why Elaj never added it to the notes section, I will in a few.
Breadbear83 said:
And lastly, can't remember why Gunshy proposed the Athletic low tier characters speed instead of more characters scaling from Long blocking bullets being subsonic+, but wouldn't characters having superhuman physical characteristics in their profiles already give Superhuman speed? Guess I'll wait for the CRT about it
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Low tier devil hunters are slower than/struggle against bullets, so we're gonna use lower/more consistent speed feats for them.
 
GunshyFever said:
No idea why Elaj never added it to the notes section, I will in a few.

Low tier devil hunters are slower than/struggle against bullets, so we're gonna use lower/more consistent speed feats for them.
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Don't nearly all Guns antifeats come from katana man arc? It's fodder devil hunter getting hit, Himeno is one of them (she's mostly featless) and a weaker Aki and Denji, they later on get stronger and fight stronger foes, can't remember Guns antifeats afterwards

The Long blocking Bullets and Nail Fiend dodging rifle fires shows that later on Fiends can dodge guns, and stronger Fiends like Post training power, and base Galgali and Beam should scale from

(There's barem getting hit by guns, but it's never implied that in base he is even faster than Fiends)
 
Realistically what was Yuji blood gonna do long term. We're talking about a guy that can shrugged off impalement and plop his head back on after getting decapitated, a little pain and coughing up blood aint doin nothing especially with how he can healed the effect somewhat with said blood
 
Bruh said:
Realistically what was Yuji blood gonna do long term. We're talking about a guy that can shrugged off impalement and plop his head back on after getting decapitated, a little pain and coughing up blood aint doin nothing especially with how he can healed the effect somewhat with said blood
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Realistically? Nothing. Personally though I feel like it could've been addressed more/better cause it would've been neat to have that incorporated into the fight, show another form of Denji's pain tolerance other than just negating it with regen, and also would've been better to have it addressed straight up rather than in one of the blink and you miss it black boxes
 
Funny how the 2 things Yuji fans were banking on: Soul fission and Poison Blood, wouldnt have work if you actually read CSM, the fact DB even included them is generous enough
 
Epiccheev said:
I was genuinely surprised by them capping JJK at Low 7-B
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Damn, that's pretty low for DB standard considering they also use the anime. Denji would win with our manga stats alone let alone anime + DB wank. Why the hell did they even need the Swords scaling for, when their Falling calcs are already in the Gigaton range ?
 
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Bruh said:
Damn, that's pretty low for DB standard considering they also use the anime. Denji would win with our manga stats alone let alone anime + DB wank. Why the hell did they even need the Swords scaling for, when their Falling calcs are already in the Gigaton range ?
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Better hope the anime fight between the judas buffs them
 
How many layers does Yoru Weaponization have again ?
Start of Part 2 she was able to turn the body of Fire D contractees into weapon, who are said to be similar to Devils, who has Transmu resist so 1 layer, this fit with her plan of turning Nuke Devil to a weapon to fight Pochita. Cant turn Denji, but we already know he has Layered resist in the Santa fight so no problem there.
Later on grew stronger to the point that her weaponization was a genuine threat to Denji so 2 layer for endgame ?
Am i missing sth ?
 
Bruh said:
How many layers does Yoru Weaponization have again ?
Start of Part 2 she was able to turn the body of Fire D contractees into weapon, who are said to be similar to Devils, who has Transmu resist so 1 layer, this fit with her plan of turning Nuke Devil to a weapon to fight Pochita. Cant turn Denji, but we already know he has Layered resist in the Santa fight so no problem there.
Later on grew stronger to the point that her weaponization was a genuine threat to Denji so 2 layer for endgame ?
Am i missing sth ?
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A character with no layer of resistance to transmutation gets transmutated by 1 layer, with 1 layer of resistance, 2 layers would be needed, and with 2 layers of resistance , 3 layer would be needed

Denji is implied to have 2 layers of resistance like you say, so Post fear boost yoru has 3 layers of transmutation

I don't think there's anything implying that Fire devil contractors have 1 layer more of resistance to transmutation by fire devil being superior than the zombie and doll doll devil also having. Transmutation

EDIT: we don't know why Denji wasn't weaponized so I don't know if any character could scale to his 2 layers of resistance to transmutation, if it's hybrids physiology that also primal devils could scale to
 
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Breadbear83 said:
Btw is Low godly regeneration the lowest regeneration that can "regenerate" from Yorus weaponization? As it refers to regenerating from the mind or soul, without anything physical like mere atoms (like High regeneration)

Mid godly is like low godly but by a complete erasure, and High godly is kinda confusing on referring to healing from "conceptual erasure"
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Btw can some level of regeneration bypass Yorus weaponization?
 
Just rewatch the fight, canr believe they low ball the spear to like 12% SOL, that hilariously slow
 
ITS OVER, ITS ******* OVER, 4 POCHITA SLOP DRAWINGS, FILLER CHARACTERS PRESENTANTIONS (I LOVE FAMI BUT ***** YOU DONT EVEN FULLY APPEAR HERE, YOUR ASS IS TAKING SPACE), AND THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS A PRETTY BACKGROUND
 
Breadbear83 said:
ITS OVER, ITS ******* OVER, 4 POCHITA SLOP DRAWINGS, FILLER CHARACTERS PRESENTANTIONS (I LOVE FAMI BUT ***** YOU DONT EVEN FULLY APPEAR HERE, YOUR ASS IS TAKING SPACE), AND THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS A PRETTY BACKGROUND
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Thinking about it maybe they included Fami out of pity of all her other sisters having more relevancy in the volume, unless her character presentation points out she got an upscale from all the bugs devil's being related to Famine, it's a fan theory that makes sense
 
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