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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

Hey everyone. Kinda bad news for the 8-A+ scaling but I was re-watching the movie to do the cals as promised and I noticed some things while looking at Reze's explosions.

The explosions are kinda weak and really do not meet the 20 PSI standard that the original calc used as outside the epicenter of the explosion concrete structures are usually left with mild to maybe severe damage with most regular people surviving with severe injuries. This is very consistent happening repeatedly as the explosions might envelop concrete buildings entirely but they are nowhere near demolished. If anyone wants to re-do it Airburst PSI is discussed here but I personally do not even agree with the premise of the Tokyo Tower being a better measurement than Beam who is at the epicenter when perspective fuckery in anime is very unreliable as it is drawings. There's also the issue that the explosion being calced is actually two explosions, the second one which distrust the shape inflates the result.



Anyways. I only noticed cuz I was gathering screenshots to calc them.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
The explosions are kinda weak and really do not meet the 20 PSI standard that the original calc used as outside the epicenter of the explosion concrete structures are usually left with mild to maybe severe damage with most regular people surviving with severe injuries.
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You would have to take that with a grain of salt considering what was showcased at the time, which would not show everything you would need to know. You would likely need a scene where we get a good look at the destruction and casualties after the battle, which we do in fact get.

As you can see in the image(s) above, there were a lot of fatalities. We can also consider that this area was not part of those that were ripped apart by the typhoon, as the destruction shown consists of shattered glass, tumbled buildings, rubble and cracks within the walls caused by shock waves from Reze's explosions. Considering we see about 23 dead bodies within that frame alone, I would say the 20 PSI method is completely fine to use without a doubt, as it perfectly fits the description provided.
PhantomØ4 said:
but I personally do not even agree with the premise of the Tokyo Tower being a better measurement than Beam who is at the epicenter when perspective fuckery in anime is very unreliable as it is drawings.
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Same goes for the manga. It is all drawings, so we are just working with what we have and it is not that unreasonable to assume either. If you use the right methods, you can get a solid 8-A result and maybe even a low 7-C for Reze's big boom. However, the speed calcs are what I am looking forward to. Because of the long awaited speed CRT, I need some numbers that I can plug in.
 
GunshyFever said:
Considering we see about 23 dead bodies within that frame alone, I would say the 20 PSI method is completely fine to use without a doubt, as it perfectly fits the description provided.
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I think you are a bit too focused on death count. Widespread death already occurs at 5 PSI, you do not need 20 PSI to achieve that death count. But anyways that is ignoring the fact that the only building there that did collapse (honestly looks like where Typhon first joins the battle but I would have to check) more than that many people could have been in that building complex easily and that when we do see people caught directly in Reze's explosion a lot survive with injuries.

In reality the damage you see done to the buildings that did not collapse in the screenshot that you sent happens to most buildings that are affected and fully engulfed by Reze's explosions. It's not a one time or even two time thing, it is extremely consistent they are damaged but do not collapse.
GunshyFever said:
Same goes for the manga. It is all drawings, so we are just working with what we have and it is not that unreasonable to assume either. If you use the right methods, you can get a solid 8-A result and maybe even a low 7-C for Reze's big boom. However, the speed calcs are what I am looking forward to. Because of the long awaited speed CRT, I need some numbers that I can plug in.
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I am doing the big boom but I needed to Frankenstein 100 frames together so yeah it took a bit to even do that.
 


Here's another example. All of these buildings got engulfed in Reze's explosion and really only the immediate surroundings got demolished and not even the entire buildings just the front when the explosion radius covered like 5 buildings.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
I think you are a bit too focused on death count. Widespread death already occurs at 5 PSI, you do not need 20 PSI to achieve that death count. But anyways that is ignoring the fact that the only building there that did collapse (honestly looks like where Typhon first joins the battle but I would have to check) more than that many people could have been in that building complex easily and that when we do see people caught directly in Reze's explosion a lot survive with injuries.
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The place where the typhoon came in was completely demolished by the high speed winds, especially the skyscraper he was beside. Any signs of Typhoon Devil damage would have been completely decimated. Other than that, you do have a point. 20 PSI may be a stretch, so 10 PSI honestly fits the criteria better. However, I would like to counter what you are saying about humans surviving her explosions. On screen (and in manga), it is shown that they are completely vaporized even by her explosive sparks. The only people who were able to contend with her explosions were the Devil Hunters at Special Division 2 HQ. Most if not all of them were wearing Public Safety suits, which have demonstrated damage reduction to the extent that Katana Man's sword draw dash cannot cut them in half.

Not to mention that half of these Devil Hunters could simply be superhuman due to their contracts, like Aki, Yoshida and so on (these are bad examples, but you get the idea). This is why I still believe 20PSI is not completely far-fetched. Building destruction is iffy, considering most of the damage amounted to shattered glass, cracks and overall structural damage. However, considering that Reze's explosions as I have said, are shown to completely eviscerate humans into mist, a high death toll is not far-fetched at all.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
but I personally do not even agree with the premise of the Tokyo Tower being a better measurement than Beam who is at the epicenter when perspective fuckery in anime is very unreliable as it is drawings. There's also the issue that the explosion being calced is actually two explosions, the second one which distrust the shape inflates the result.
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Nope, beam being at the center of the explosion 200m above the Tokyo tower, appearing so big and then falls down, being as small as a bean compared to the tower is simply inconsistency from Beam, not the tower nor the explosion.

Also 2 explosions? I only calced the first one bruh, even measured the size of the round explosion rather than the whatever stretched out part was
 
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Anyways, sword KE could be applied for 1 thing: Yoru somehow crush her opponent with the state itself. Extremely situational, but we do know that the object she turn into weapons do interact with their surroundings (Gun and Tank) and does deal tons of damage.
 
GunshyFever said:
However, I would like to counter what you are saying about humans surviving her explosions. On screen (and in manga), it is shown that they are completely vaporized even by her explosive sparks.
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Oh yeah, no, definitely. The issue is that this usually happens when they are close to the epicenter of the explosion or much more concentrated explosions but the the PSI effects have to line up all the way to the edge of the radius measured not at the center, at the center she even collapses every structure, and almost any explosion reaches higher than 20 PSI at epicenter. Like, nukes near the center obviously vaporize but they use the same PSI standard to measure them. Obviously the regular humans that we see survive only survive due to not being at epicenter and inverse square law and all that doing its magic just like the further away things are the less destroyed the are.

But yeah I would probably go with her best environmental showing for airbursts which was like 8-10 PSI (I don't think it makes much of a difference)
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Nope, beam being at the center of the explosion 200m above the Tokyo tower, appearing so big and then falls down, being as small as a bean compared to the tower is simply inconsistency from Beam, not the tower nor the explosion.

Also 2 explosions? I only calced the first one bruh, even measured the size of the round explosion rather than the whatever stretched out part was
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I don't feel very strongly about it either way, that is why I did not really bring it up since I'm okay with it either way if others are okay with it. The PSI I do feel is quite inaccurate though.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
I don't feel very strongly about it either way, that is why I did not really bring it up since I'm okay with it either way if others are okay with it. The PSI I do feel is quite inaccurate though.
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yes, the PSI are inaccurate, that is 100% true. The problem is that no one is gonna evaluate a formula that I'll spend 5 hours to find and cook up that will give us the right result.

Or maybe I'm just dumb and don't know how to do explosion calc. I vote for 10 PSI, around there should be the best.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
yes, the PSI are inaccurate, that is 100% true. The problem is that no one is gonna evaluate a formula that I'll spend 5 hours to find and cook up that will give us the right result.

Or maybe I'm just dumb and don't know how to do explosion calc. I vote for 10 PSI, around there should be the best.
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Yeah, 10 PSI way better imo. It could be a tad bit lower but I don't think it'd matter much anyways and I asked a CGM but I then proceeded to distract them by showing them the airburst PSI thread.



Also, yeah, there's two explosions in that scene if you hear the sound effects (we know Reze can explode her torpedos more than once from her torpedo kick feat) and it does make quite the difference. The video shows the initial explosion overlapped with the moment you took. The camera also moves a bit so it messes with things, I had to line up the screenshots with the Tokyo tower.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Also, yeah, there's two explosions in that scene if you hear the sound effects (we know Reze can explode her torpedos more than once from her torpedo kick feat) and it does make quite the difference. The video shows the initial explosion overlapped with the moment you took. The camera also moves a bit so it messes with things, I had to line up the screenshots with the Tokyo tower.
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Does this mean I could just multiply the calc by 2? Hm... Do you think its fair to say Reze could just explode her torpedo all at once?
 
Bruh said:
We could still at least upscale the States Swords and Nuclear Punch from the Gun Goddess 7-A considering these are Yoru's magnum opus in terms of weapons
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More like high 7-A/6-C with G.G recalc. But yeah, State Swords, Nuclear Punch and Oregon Slash would all scale above G.G.
Yoru is gonna have so many tiers and attacks listed in AP section in this key. It's gonna be so ******* funny
 
VoidGoji said:
More like high 7-A/6-C with G.G recalc. But yeah, State Swords, Nuclear Punch and Oregon Slash would all scale above G.G.
Yoru is gonna have so many tiers and attacks listed in AP section in this key. It's gonna be so ******* funny
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Truly Makima 2.0
 
Btw, are we giving an extra key to Pochers? "Death Consumed" or something, since it visibly boosted him to hell and back
 
He went from keeping up with Yoru to blitzing her and his regen sped up a lot, isn't that getting boosted?
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Does this mean I could just multiply the calc by 2? Hm... Do you think its fair to say Reze could just explode her torpedo all at once?
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I was thinking we MIGHT be able to do that but I guess we don't know if she divided the power equally? I'm just iffy on it cuz it'd be more of a multiplier deal than a calc thing, and I personally would not sneak it into a calc but she exploded her torpedo 10ish times against Denji the first time so that feat might also just be way better.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
I was thinking we MIGHT be able to do that but I guess we don't know if she divided the power equally? I'm just iffy on it cuz it'd be more of a multiplier deal than a calc thing, and I personally would not sneak it into a calc but she exploded her torpedo 10ish times against Denji the first time so that feat might also just be way better.
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talking about that calc, has anyone calced that yet? Of course not the speed, that one was kinda mid.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
talking about that calc, has anyone calced that yet? Of course not the speed, that one was kinda mid.
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I was gonna but I chewed a bit more than I could eat with the big boom. It took me literal hours with to line up the 100+ frames cuz my app became slow 😭 and then I got distracted by this whole ordeal.So feel free to calc it. For that I do feel like all the explosions can be added up to get Reze's torpedo AP safely.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
I was gonna but I chewed a bit more than I could eat with the big boom. It took me literal hours with to line up the 100+ frames cuz my app became slow 😭 and then I got distracted by this whole ordeal.So feel free to calc it. For that I do feel like all the explosions can be added up to get Reze's torpedo AP safely.
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Talking about 10 explosions... Remember that sequence where Reze creates about 100 or something explosions on the sky? Yeah, it's barely 8-C...

Uh, am I just dumb at explosion calc or what?

If you're wondering what I'm talking about, here

So like, I wonder if the torpedo calc will really amount to something good if I did everything correctly in the whip calc.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
Talking about 10 explosions... Remember that sequence where Reze creates about 100 or something explosions on the sky? Yeah, it's barely 8-C...

Uh, am I just dumb at explosion calc or what?

If you're wondering what I'm talking about, here

So like, I wonder if the torpedo calc will really amount to something good if I did everything correctly in the whip calc.
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So, hm. Someone counted and if you are talking about the explosion that dwarfs the skyscrapper, there are over 300 explosions
 
VoidGoji said:
So, hm. Someone counted and if you are talking about the explosion that dwarfs the skyscrapper, there are over 200 explosions
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yeah, 214 to be exact, in that 1 sequence alone.

For the torpedo in the skyscraper, it ain't worth it imo, she didn't even burst the thing out, barely Large Building.

I guess I gotta try the first torpedo and see what it amounts to.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Yeah, 10 PSI way better imo. It could be a tad bit lower but I don't think it'd matter much anyways and I asked a CGM but I then proceeded to distract them by showing them the airburst PSI thread.



Also, yeah, there's two explosions in that scene if you hear the sound effects (we know Reze can explode her torpedos more than once from her torpedo kick feat) and it does make quite the difference. The video shows the initial explosion overlapped with the moment you took. The camera also moves a bit so it messes with things, I had to line up the screenshots with the Tokyo tower.
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What would the results be if you use 10 PSI with the size of the first explosion instead ?
 
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Could all the calc master enlighten me on this. If 2 explosions happened consecutively at the same location, explosion A produce radius A then explosion happen on top of A and produce radius B, is B the radius of the combined yield or sth different?
 
movie reze got hit by the demon slayer danmaku allegations
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