CELESTIALS REVISION

[Im_Jason_Voorhees]

I would like to start this discussion with the profile of the Celestials. It is not clear why the authors or people simply sitting here decided that the global change in Marvel's cosmology is the stupidity of the plot. And it would be nice if the Celestials did what they did in Ultimates once, but then, just recently, this moment was literally re-told(https://vsbattles.com/threads/some-celestials-revision.141521/). It can no longer be ignored.
If you don't understand, I talking about this:
"Do not use the Ultimates storyline by Al Ewing to scale the Celestials' own power to the Multiversal Abstracts, as said storyline treated combat on the highest level of reality as a metaphor. It is considered as Plot-Induced Stupidity."
I think it's unwise to ignore such an important event in cosmology, TWICE.

 

[Im_Jason_Voorhees]

@Confluctor @Alonik @Antvasima ?

 

[Antvasima]

Sometimes the Celestials are displayed at a planetary scale where they can be beaten up by regular superheroes, and sometimes as being able to use a weapon that severely damages The First Firmament. Since Marvel Comics is almost dadaistic nonsense in terms of logical coherence for powerscaling purposes, we have tried to list the Celestials at their usual power levels, and will not change our approach in this regard.

 

[Im_Jason_Voorhees]

Sometimes the Celestials are displayed at a planetary scale where they can be beaten up by regular superheroes, and sometimes as being able to use a weapon that severely damages The First Firmament. Since Marvel Comics is almost dadaistic nonsense in terms of logical coherence for powerscaling purposes, we have tried to list the Celestials at their usual power levels, and will not change our approach in this regard.

No no no, I didn't say anything about all of Celestials should be scale to higher level. If you look again at the scans, you will see that only strongest (or famous) of them splited First Firmament(among them Arishem, Eson, Hazarr etc). Of course we shouldn't scale other Celestials to the same level of the tops of the Space Gods. I think we should start making distinctions between Celestials. That is, the older Celestials > the newer ones.

 

[Antvasima]

All of the Celestials are usually portrayed at a similar scale of power, with the exception of Exitar.