Causality manipulation page

[Laughingfox29124]

Is the causality manipulation page is correct? I mean, the explanation on that page is kinda complicated if we try to connect that stuff (explanation of causality manipulation) to a few profiles characters like Asta and Kumagawa, which is both of them get "causality manipulation" from feats that change cause to impact effect, like asta who destroyed cause to destroyed effect, and kumagawa who nulled a effort(cause), to nulled the effect. I wish the explanation of causality manipulation be changed or get revision or get a better explanation which is this "causality manipulation" should be focusing to "change the cause to impact the present" or "changed event in the past to changed the present"

 

[Dragoonseraphim]

That isn’t really how Asta’s works. It’s not negate cause to negate effect, it’s more like severing the effect from the cause.

 

[Laughingfox29124]

That isn’t really how Asta’s works. It’s not negate cause to negate effect, it’s more like severing the effect from the cause.

Can you give me a scan? Seem i forget asta's causality manipulation feat

 

[QuasiYuri]

Kumagawa does have causality stuff tho.

 

[Laughingfox29124]

Kumagawa does have causality stuff tho.

which point did you refer? And what do you mean by that?

 

[Laughingfox29124]

I accept every argument that corrects me, so correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Laughingfox29124]

I made this thread because a lot of my friends are confused with a feat which is changed history/past/cause to changed present/effect, and these refer to the name of the term? Whether this is a type of causality manipulation or another term, because the causality manipulation page doesn't explain any further about these(changed cause to canged effect or manipulated history to changed the present/future), so this is making my friends hard to explain if someone tries to debunk their argument.

 

[Catpija]

which point did you refer? And what do you mean by that?

Just saying, Kumagawa All Fiction comes from Hundred Gauntlet which reverses Cause-Effect, into All Fiction which makes Cause-Effect never happened.

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Ajimu also mentioned something about All Fiction interfering with Causality

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However i do agree with how the Causality Manipulation Page is too vague, and often misunderstood

 

[Megaraptor149]

which point did you refer? And what do you mean by that?

Because there is a statement that says directly that all fiction is based on causality manipulation by Ajimu

 

[Megaraptor149]

However i do agree with how the Causality Manipulation Page is too vague, and often misunderstood

Yes, the explanation on the causality manipulation page is indeed very incomplete, but it's not just causality manipulation that is lacking, but the other power abilities are also incomplete. Maybe there will be an additional explanation so that it is more complete in the future it's would be better

 

[Mr._Undetected]

I think there's nothing wrong with that

 

[Laughingfox29124]

I think there's nothing wrong with that

so, what kind of term "history manipulation" is? On causality manipulation page, doesn't explain any further about this stuff

 

[Laughingfox29124]

Yes, the explanation on the causality manipulation page is indeed very incomplete, but it's not just causality manipulation that is lacking, but the other power abilities are also incomplete. Maybe there will be an additional explanation so that it is more complete in the future it's would be better

Can we demand to staffs a better explanation about this term?

 

[Megaraptor149]

Can we demand to staffs a better explanation about this term?

You can change this thread to staff discussion or just call another staff

 

[Mr._Undetected]

so, what kind of term "history manipulation" is? On causality manipulation page, doesn't explain any further about this stuff

Depends

 

[Megaraptor149]

so, what kind of term "history manipulation" is? On causality manipulation page, doesn't explain any further about this stuff

Its depend from the context, if history in general it includes the past, present and future.

When targeting the past it's would be Causality Manipulation but when its targeting the future it can be that Fate Manipulation or maybe Probability Manipulation. Or maybe even if it covers everything there could be Time Manipulation.

So actually it's depend from context fets

 

[Laughingfox29124]

Its depend from the context, if history in general it includes the past, present and future.

When targeting the past it's would be Causality Manipulation but when its targeting the future it can be that Fate Manipulation or maybe Probability Manipulation. Or maybe even if it covers everything there could be Time Manipulation.

So actually it's depend from context fets

I referred to "altered history" to "alter present"

 

[Megaraptor149]

I referred to "altered history" to "alter present"

Its causality manipulation if the way it works is used like Histoire which can erase her enemies by altering history

 

[Laughingfox29124]

Its causality manipulation if the way it works is used like Histoire which can erase her enemies by altering history

Ya, i know by that, but if someone tries to debunk me, like "how you could said that this ability is causality manipulation whereas causality manipulation page doesn't explain about this?"

 

[Megaraptor149]

Ya, i know by that, but if someone tries to debunk me, like "how you could said that this ability is causality manipulation whereas causality manipulation page doesn't explain about this?"

I think it's a natural thing, because they are too fixated on the profile or something. So if there is no explanation about it in their profile directly then it is considered invalid by them

So basically, for them, wait for an explanation that is listed directly on their profile so that it is said to be "valid".

I guess?

 

[Mr._Undetected]

Ya, i know by that, but if someone tries to debunk me, like "how you could said that this ability is causality manipulation whereas causality manipulation page doesn't explain about this?"

I guess the example you gave won't be debunked that it's not Causality Manipulation

And about

"Page doesn't explain about this"

Those feats already explained why it was able to obtain Causality Manipulation clearly

On that page also all know that it's about Causality
So if the context is clear then it can definitely be categorized as well

 

[Laughingfox29124]

I guess the example you gave won't be debunked that it's not Causality Manipulation

And about

"Page doesn't explain about this"

Those feats already explained why it was able to obtain Causality Manipulation clearly

On that page also all know that it's about Causality
So if the context is clear then it can definitely be categorized as well

Ok, now i asking you what the name of term if someone was altered history/past to altered present, if your answer is causality manipulation, which point on causality manipulation page that explain about this. I don't care about what is you was said cuz your words is meaningless and no explain anything. Ohh, about example what i was said about kumagawa is when kumagawa told to zenkichi and friends "i was alter zenkichi's effort when i kicked by him into nothing" which is "effort" at here is "history"/past, this is one of example for "history manipulation" which is doesn't explained by causality manipulation page.

 

[Laughingfox29124]

I think it's a natural thing, because they are too fixated on the profile or something. So if there is no explanation about it in their profile directly then it is considered invalid by them

So basically, for them, wait for an explanation that is listed directly on their profile so that it is said to be "valid".

I guess?

No, i mean if i try to argue that something like this is causality manipulation, and they would say "which point on causality manipulation page that said history manipulation is causality manipulation too?"

 

[Megaraptor149]

No, i mean if i try to argue that something like this is causality manipulation, and they would say "which point on causality manipulation page that said history manipulation is causality manipulation too?"

I see, So you want to add an explanation about causality manipulation on the page directly so that they can make it clear that history manipulation is also causality manipulation.

 

[Mr._Undetected]

Ok, now i asking you what the name of term if someone was altered history/past to altered present, if your answer is causality manipulation, which point on causality manipulation page that explain about this. I don't care about what is you was said cuz your words is meaningless and no explain anything. Ohh, about example what i was said about kumagawa is when kumagawa told to zenkichi and friends "i was alter zenkichi's effort when i kicked by him into nothing" which is "effort" at here is "history"/past, this is one of example for "history manipulation" which is doesn't explained by causality manipulation page.

Well…. I guess, there really needs to be an explanation on that page, if that's what you say

And about what ability it is, depends of course

 

[Laughingfox29124]

I see, So you want to add an explanation about causality manipulation on the page directly so that they can make it clear that history manipulation is also causality manipulation.

Yes, i guess you got the point