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Base Carnage is stronk tho, wasn't he?
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Carnage vs Frieza.
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Frieza punches Carnage
Carnage explodes
Frieza gets possessed
Fight end.
Carnage explodes
Frieza gets possessed
Fight end.
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Carnage regenerates and then he punches
Or just dodges
Or just dodges
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How can he one shot past his regen? Dude has Low High.
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Better question, why the **** would Frieza erase him from existence in character the way they did to Buu or Cell. He didn't erase the namekians, so he wouldn't assume to erase Carnage until it's too late.
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....When did Frieza ever erase Buu or Cell.
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He didn't need any info from Nail, hell he was entirely wasting time with him.
The only reason he considered his soldiers fodder to be blasted off, was because they work for him hence they wouldn't bother challenging him and he already knew their capabilities.
Also what's the AP difference? I think Carnage was a Megaton stomper for ******* up Juggernaut
The only reason he considered his soldiers fodder to be blasted off, was because they work for him hence they wouldn't bother challenging him and he already knew their capabilities.
Also what's the AP difference? I think Carnage was a Megaton stomper for ******* up Juggernaut
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Frieza is 600 something Kilofoe
Carnage is 300
Carnage is 300
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On a technicality erasing people from ki blasts exist, he's establishing that. The problem is Frieza never feckin did that to anyone except fodderSchnee One said:
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....You mean the one where they got erased by attacks with a very large AoE?
That Frieza doesn't even have?
That Frieza doesn't even have?
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Really? I thought we took Juggernaut's higher feats as canon... oh well.Schnee One said:
Also he massively upscales from that 300 iirc, he stomped Hulk and co., didn't he?
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Yes he did
Frieza isn't one shotting nor beat his regen with Ki Blast spamming
Eventually Frieza hits Carnage and gets possessed
Frieza isn't one shotting nor beat his regen with Ki Blast spamming
Eventually Frieza hits Carnage and gets possessed
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Just if you're much stronger than someone in DB you can "erase" them. Trunks vs Freiza, Gohan vs Cell, Goku Spirit Bomb vs Kid Buu etc.
Freiza doesn't have a large AoE? What? He just needs to make a bigger than average Ki blast and make it explode.
Freiza doesn't have a large AoE? What? He just needs to make a bigger than average Ki blast and make it explode.
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Either way I think it's likely for Freiza to get mindhaxed if he doesn't know about it.
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Trunks was far stronger Frieza, Gohan was far stronger than Cell, Goku was amped the **** out during that Spirit Bomb.
Nothing like that can happen here, since within the Vs. Thread rules, they aren't even close to stomping each other, 2x is the weakest advantage ever, and hell, I think Carnage does upscale from that 400 by alot, so no, Frieza isn't stronger
Nothing like that can happen here, since within the Vs. Thread rules, they aren't even close to stomping each other, 2x is the weakest advantage ever, and hell, I think Carnage does upscale from that 400 by alot, so no, Frieza isn't stronger
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I'm reading above and Freiza is apparently far above 600 kilofoes i.e far above Carnage.
You mean Freizan can't just erase? I mean if he's way stronger he will be able to. This isn't a rule in DB it's just in general.
You mean Freizan can't just erase? I mean if he's way stronger he will be able to. This isn't a rule in DB it's just in general.
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He could've very easily gotten it from Guru, that's why he was literally going there, he wasn't getting it from Nail hell he was heading back after stomping him but Nail interruptedNitro90 said:
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Gohan couldn't possibly be that much stronger than Cell, if Cell was able to injure him with a blast that would have killed Vegeta, tbh...
Still, I feel like the moment Freeza shoots a few holes through Carnage and blasts away a few Brain-Symbiotes, and sees Carnage auto-regen (First Form Freeza in this key just spams Death Beams), he'll probably just say "**** this" and BFR via planetbust. Carnage can't survive in space.
Also base Carnage is like...Spider-Man tier. High 8-C. His symbiotes get one-shot.
Still, I feel like the moment Freeza shoots a few holes through Carnage and blasts away a few Brain-Symbiotes, and sees Carnage auto-regen (First Form Freeza in this key just spams Death Beams), he'll probably just say "**** this" and BFR via planetbust. Carnage can't survive in space.
Also base Carnage is like...Spider-Man tier. High 8-C. His symbiotes get one-shot.
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... this is probably the most Big Brain thread I have attended...
No, he can't erase because that is literally not how it works in the wiki, you're describing a oneshot.
@Orc Frieza didn't blow up Namek after seeing Namekians regenerate, and it's totally not like Gohan overpowering was the entire point of the goddamn saga.
And those aren't base Carnage symbiotes... those are Dark Carnage symbiotes...
No, he can't erase because that is literally not how it works in the wiki, you're describing a oneshot.
@Orc Frieza didn't blow up Namek after seeing Namekians regenerate, and it's totally not like Gohan overpowering was the entire point of the goddamn saga.
And those aren't base Carnage symbiotes... those are Dark Carnage symbiotes...
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Namekians don't regenerate from fatal wounds. Carnage does. Freeza will shoot to kill, see that killing doesn't work, get frustrated, and planet bust. Perfectly in-character for him to do so, and it has canonically solved all of his problems before except for on Namek.
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Maybe make your point clear?
I don't mean literal existence erasure, I mean reduce him to the same as Gohan reduced Cell to, by just being much stronger with an AoE blast.
Btw Freiza doesn't need to blow up the planet he just needs a bigger than average ki blast. Also Freiza wasn't directly fighting any of the Namekians and was mostly toying with them and letting his soldiers find the Dragon Balls.
Frieza upscaling from a 600 kilofoe feat by the margin people said above is much higher than just saying Carnage upscales from 400 kilofoe.
I don't mean literal existence erasure, I mean reduce him to the same as Gohan reduced Cell to, by just being much stronger with an AoE blast.
Btw Freiza doesn't need to blow up the planet he just needs a bigger than average ki blast. Also Freiza wasn't directly fighting any of the Namekians and was mostly toying with them and letting his soldiers find the Dragon Balls.
Frieza upscaling from a 600 kilofoe feat by the margin people said above is much higher than just saying Carnage upscales from 400 kilofoe.
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@Zark Doesn't matter. Dark Carnage symbiotes are not equal to Dark Carnage in power, they don't even come close. Read Absolute Carnage, they're Spider-Man and Venom level, High 8-C at most when they have a host. Freeza will absolutely one-shot these things.
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Btw Frieza stomped Gohan effortlessly, so he should be a decent bit above him.
Also Freeza IC starts off with blasts, so once he sees carnage regenerating he'll just use a bigger blast and atomize him. If that doesn't work, destroying the planet is actually a legitimate option for him unlike every other character in DB lol. And he can blow up the planet very fast if he wants. His go to attack is also Death Beams so he won't blow Carnage apart from the Get go, then he'll see that he can regenerate and simply up the voltage.
I vote for shorty.
Also Freeza IC starts off with blasts, so once he sees carnage regenerating he'll just use a bigger blast and atomize him. If that doesn't work, destroying the planet is actually a legitimate option for him unlike every other character in DB lol. And he can blow up the planet very fast if he wants. His go to attack is also Death Beams so he won't blow Carnage apart from the Get go, then he'll see that he can regenerate and simply up the voltage.
I vote for shorty.
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He didn't blow it up when Piccolo overpowered him, he didn't blow it up when Vegeta overpowered him, he didn't blow it up when Goku showed up. He literally only blowed up the planet because he's paranoid of Super Saiyans because of a prophecy, he never blows one up otherwise, he literally runs a business selling them, why would he right now? From his perspective he can just evaporate him (we know he can't because Vs. Mechanics contradict it, but he doesn't)
Hell Namek's explosion basically was a kamikaze for him, it was literally a last resort.
With that said, Frieza never gets past the regen. I'm closing this.
Hell Namek's explosion basically was a kamikaze for him, it was literally a last resort.
With that said, Frieza never gets past the regen. I'm closing this.
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