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Bringing Xenosaga to a Higher Dimension: Cosmology

Luckyfun said:
I think this can be apply then?
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Per Discussions rules, Tier 1 threads require a larger number of Thread Moderators, Administrators, and Bureaucrats to give their input. Only 2 staff have given approval with 1 disagreeing (me) and 1 neutral.

Additionally, the Reality - Fiction Standards are being revised, so I am unable to give input regarding the Upper Domain at this time.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Per Discussions rules, Tier 1 threads require a larger number of Thread Moderators, Administrators, and Bureaucrats to give their input. Only 2 staff have given approval with 1 disagreeing (me) and 1 neutral.

Additionally, the Reality - Fiction Standards are being revised, so I am unable to give input regarding the Upper Domain at this time.
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I've been busy to keep bumping this (interesting that others would have done it instead in the meantime) but while I am here, I had replied after your last expressing concerns about the qualifications of the Imaginary Number Domain. What are your thoughts in response to that? Would it help change your POV?
 
Magicomethkuon said:
It doesn't seem to me that that interpretation would work since otherwise there would be no explanation as to how Lost Jerusalem was perfectly planet sized when it was domain shifted back to the Real Number Domain at the end of the story. As the quote presented in the example goes, the planet became an imaginary domain existence, and it was a planck sized one there when it did.

When it was shifted back to the Real Number Domain it was once more a full on planet. If we operated on the logic that it was permanently shrunk specifically by the process of transfer, and not by the fact that it happens because that's the absolute extent of what the Real Number Domain can access of the Imaginary Number Domain, there would be no reason for the planet to suddenly grow in size and be perfectly habitable as it happened in the end, with the cast setting out on a journey to find them again and KOS-MOS's body drifting closer to it. It would have just stayed a planck length structure.

There would also have been no need to explain that the lower dimensions can only access a Planck Scale of the Higher Ones. Or objects and existences from the Imaginary manifested in the Real Number one having Immeasurable mass as is the case for Abel's Ark, Albedo describing the lower dimensions as lacking and being able to shift the whole dimension. The perfect guide stating that the imaginary domain has no material or physical limitations, the verbatim explanation of the Real Number Domain being a finitely bound realm in constrast to the Imaginary One.

From all that can be gathered from statements, the guide and how it behaves whenever it interacts with normal space, it appears particularly counter-intuitive to disregard them and conclude that these dimensions would be at all similar in scale.
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Here.
 
Firestorm808 said:
My stance remains largely the same as before.

Imaginary Time might give +1D if it meets our Higher Time Requirements.

At the most, I only see Imaginary Space as being one set of infinity larger than 3-D.
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On the bolded part, I'd like to ask why if possible to see if we could come to an agreement there over time. But thanks for the feedback still, while I maintain the stance of 4 since I believe otherwise I'd run into a variety of lore contradictions I can see some of the foundation that you want to reason towards.

About the rest, having searched the forums I couldn't find a standards page for Imaginary Time. Could you tell me what is it that this dimension should fulfill for the standards in these forums?
 
Magicomethkuon said:
On the bolded part, I'd like to ask why if possible to see if we could come to an agreement there over time. But thanks for the feedback still, while I maintain the stance of 4 since I believe otherwise I'd run into a variety of lore contradictions I can see some of the foundation that you want to reason towards.

About the rest, having searched the forums I couldn't find a standards page for Imaginary Time. Could you tell me what is it that this dimension should fulfill for the standards in these forums?
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The prior example of immeasurable mass can give credence to one set of infinity over 3-D, but I have not seen any demonstrable example of being 3 sets of infinity over 3-D for Imaginary Space.

Our higher dimensions of time standard can be found in the Tiering FAQ.
 
Firestorm808 said:
The prior example of immeasurable mass can give credence to one set of infinity over 3-D, but I have not seen any demonstrable example of being 3 sets of infinity over 3-D for Imaginary Space.
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To summarize, you agree that there's sufficient to conclude the superiority of imaginary space, but also that the imaginary counterpart to the three-dimensional model in the real one would be a single dimension of space. Rather than three corresponding dimensions. Yes?

To which I'd say...sure why not, could roll with that just fine, too. The persistence of the creator to say that there would always be a counterpart to everything every two lines of the guide makes me believe the former is more likely, yet I wouldn't be all that bothered to consider it's 1 amalgamate of space counterpart. While 4 remains my suggestion, I take no particular issue in leaving it to you and everyone to decide on the number.
Our higher dimensions of time standard can be found in the Tiering FAQ.
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Moving on to Imaginary Time, then.

It's a second dimension of time with a flow of its own that is superior to the normal one, verbatim based on Stephen Hawking's teachings and theory.
Because of that we have confirmation that it is its own axis of time in the database entry, cannot be perceived by people of the real number domain and thus makes the model of Xenosaga's universe a multidimensional hyper spherical surface. Imaginary Time is also used in the main antagonist's masterplan to eternally reset the Universe as many times as he wants.

It is in fact, two distinct temporal axes with their own flows.
 
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Magicomethkuon said:
To summarize, you agree that there's sufficient to conclude the superiority of imaginary space, but also that the imaginary counterpart to the three-dimensional model in the real one would be a single dimension of space. Rather than three corresponding dimensions. Yes?

To which I'd say...sure why not, could roll with that just fine, too. The persistence of the creator to say that there would always be a counterpart to everything every two lines of the guide makes me believe the former is more likely, yet I wouldn't be all that bothered to consider it's 1 amalgamate of space counterpart. While 4 remains my suggestion, I take no particular issue in leaving it to you and everyone to decide on the number.

Moving on to Imaginary Time, then.

It's a second dimension of time with a flow of its own that is superior to the normal one, verbatim based on Stephen Hawking's teachings and theory.
Because of that we have confirmation that it is its own axis of time in the database entry, cannot be perceived by people of the real number domain and thus makes the model of Xenosaga's universe a multidimensional hyper spherical surface. Imaginary Time is also used in the main antagonist's masterplan to eternally reset the Universe as many times as he wants.

It is in fact, two distinct temporal axes with their own flows.
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I mean based on the recent DB crt about "hypertime lines" I'd like to think that having a second time flow thats> the normal time flow be ATLEAST 5D but that's just my opinion.
 
henryzx900ruly said:
I mean based on the recent DB crt about "hypertime lines" I'd like to think that having a second time flow thats> the normal time flow be ATLEAST 5D but that's just my opinion.
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You're fine. We've been discussing how many dimensions to accept, before stablishing the most adequate tiering for the works in these forums. I'm glad that you agree with Imaginary Time qualifying. Think this one will be more straightforward since unlike space, there's no real reason to discuss the number of extra time dimensions (1).

That and the database entry being very ❝in our face❞ about it.
 
Magicomethkuon said:
Not sure what you mean with the Space of All Possible Ideas. Whether you mean what you've written in a literal sense — a space of all possibilities — or that being a theory that I don't know about. Could you clarify to me about that? Because Xenosaga's imaginary terminology, while being its own thing and having its own set of rules, was inspired by Hawking's conceptualization of Imaginary Time. Here Imaginary is approached not as something unreal, instead being something that challenges logic.

Until then, what I could tell you is that Imaginary Space is like a second reality that proceeds along an imaginary temporal axis. It complements the lower one but beings from the RND can not perceive it. << — Database Entry of Imaginary Space, Episode III. >> From a purely physical approach, imaginary Domain is what's found past planck units, a world of nothing but what's beyond the predictions of the Standard Model, quantum field theory and general relativity.

It's why the surface of the Hypersphere being connected to Imaginary Space made it immune to any interference from the Real Number Domain regardless of scale. The Hilbert Effect has a verbatim explanation of weaponizing waves that exist in both domains ❝to generate A Finitely-Bound Realm, within the limits of the senses, enabling an intersection with the Imaginary Number Domain❞.

Beyond the physical way of looking at it, the imaginary domain covers everything outside the range of existing phenomena of reality. The only potential exception being non-existence which is called the Phase Space. For example, when a human body is formed in the real number domain, its corresponding parts of the imaginary number domain are the consciousness and its concept of individuality. When someone dies they are absorbed into the Collective Unconscious that also exists in the Imaginary Domain. If they reject this merging with will, they become Gnosis that are freed from material world limitations rather than a part of the whole. In most extraordinary cases they turn into Testament retain even their reason and memories. In fact, consciousnesses are described as being limited by the flesh because while someone is alive their sensory-body counterpart narrows their consciousness perception of the Imaginary Domain.

In summary — physically speaking the Imaginary Number Domain has everything beyond the normal bounds of physics and Xenosaga's reality, where even leaks of energy from it are infinite in the real number domain. But it also is where things without any scientific explanation to begin with like the soul, consciousness and concepts are.
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Hey, sorry for the late reply, thank you for the clarification, for what it I mean for space of all Possible Ideas, it is based on the concept "Ideocosm" which the professor (pg 7) said to be what it is.
 
Ngl, the whole “real and imaginary 4-D structures” part is way over my head to comprehend so I’m gonna be neutral on that unless another dimensional tiering expert can give their thoughts, the rest of the arguments look fine to me.
 
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