Bran Stark (Show) stats rework

[RoTt35]

What ability is when Bran hears his friend from the present while his conscience was in the past? If that is an ability

 

[AKM sama]

I don't know. Something weird but not really anything substantial that hasn't already been listed.

 

[RoTt35]

Powers and Abilities: Magic, Nigh-Omniscience, Limited Time Travel, Dream Manipulation (Can send his consciousness through time to see past, present and future events in the form of dreams that he can affect), Perception Manipulation (Cannot be seen by other people in his dreams), Clairvoyance (Can receive visions of the past, present and future), Mind Manipulation, Possession (Can send his consciousness into the mind of an animal or a human, to see through their eyes and control their body as if it were his own), Memory Manipulation (Can see the memories of those he possess) and Weapon Mastery (Able to use weapons efficiently on the bodies he possess)

Range: Standard melee range, Universal+ with Mind Manipulation and Possession (Possessed Hodor from the present while Bran's consciousness was in the past, which ended up affecting Hodor from the past)

So, is this fine to apply to Bran's profile?

 

[AKM sama]

Seems fine. What do other members think?

 

[ZeedKZ]

I'm fine with these stats being added

 

[RoTt35]

Bump

 

[RoTt35]

Bump

 

[AKM sama]

I suppose you can make the changes.

 

[RoTt35]

Done, this can be closed

 

[Antvasima]

I was told that Nigh-Omniscience seems to have been inaccurately accepted here, given that the term means being aware of, processing, and understanding virtually ALL information in ALL of existence at the same time. Neither Bran nor the Raven have demonstrated abilities at anywhere near that scale.

Advanced clairvoyance and possibly cosmic awareness seem fine though.

 

[RoTt35]

These are the reasons why Night-Omniscience was accepted:

• Bran and the Three-Eyed Raven can send their consciousness through time to see past, present, and future events that they can affect. They can also receive visions of the past, present and future.
• The way their powers work is that they basically have a Kindle library of the entire history of the universe. And the Three-Eyed Raven has sat for a thousand years and read through every piece of the history of the universe and has accessed it all.

 

[Antvasima]

That "just" seems like advanced Clairvoyance and Cosmic Awareness though. Not as anywhere near enough for Nigh-Omniscience.

 

[RoTt35]

Ok, I will wait for more input from the other members. If we remove Nigh-Omniscience, what Intelligence should Bran and the Three-Eyed Raven have? And what would be the justification for Cosmic Awareness?
Also, should Bran have Telepathy since the Three-Eyed Raven is able to speak in his dreams and visions? And their powers work the same way and Bran was trained by him.

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure. It depends on their abilities to use logical thinking regarding the world around them.

Being able to see any specific points in time in the history of the entire universe should qualify for cosmic awareness, but if it is just a much more local/planetary ability, advanced clairvoyance is enough.

Dream Manipulation should probably work.

 

[RoTt35]

Dream Manipulation should probably work.

He is talking to Bran in a vision, not a dream, would that be Telepathy or is it still Dream Manipulation?

 

[Antvasima]

Telepathy is probably more appropriate then.

 

[ZeedKZ]

I agree with replacing Bran's Nigh-Omniscience with Advanced Clairvoyance as he only has shown to have almost full knowledge on the history of humanity and Earth, as he just gathered enough information with his warg and Raven's abilities.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Agreed.

Is somebody here willing to apply these changes?

 

[RoTt35]

We still have to decide which Intelligence should have Bran and the Raven. I can apply the changes when we're done with that

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Maybe Genius then, in lack of better options?

 

[RoTt35]

Genius for Bran is fine since he has great knowledge thanks to his powers, outsmarted Littlefinger and was trained by the Three-Eyed Raven.
The Three-Eyed Raven is much more intelligent than Bran since he has used his power to see the past, present and future for a thousand years, and he knows all the history of the universe/Earth thanks to that. Is that enough for Extraordinary Genius or is it still Genius?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that should be enough to qualify for Extraordinary Genius.

 

[RoTt35]

I applied the new changes to the profiles of Bran and the Three-Eyed Raven, so the thread can be closed again

 

[RoTt35]

One last thing, the Three-Eyed Raven and Jojen Reed, another Greenseer like Bran, can enter and appear in Bran's dreams with the form of a raven or in his human form, would that be Dream Manipulation + Immersion + Shapeshifting? Something of that was discussed in this thread

 

[Antvasima]

Well, physically entering a dream may or may not qualify as immersion (for example, within the Wheel of Time series, dreams are a physical plane, rather than pure imagination), and changing form into a raven there qualifies as transformation at least, but only entering a dream with one's mind is just dream manipulation.

 

[RoTt35]

Fine, the thread can be closed then

 

[Antvasima]

Wait a little. What did you decide seems most appropriate to add based on my above response?

 

[RoTt35]

Wait a little. What did you decide seems most appropriate to add based on my above response?

Bran and the Three-Eyed Raven already have Dream Manipulation, and since the feat isn't Immersion it doesn't change anything about the current profiles

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems fine.

I will close this thread then. Thank you to everybody who helped out here.