Boruto ability CRT (For Daemon)

[Rocker1189]

Been a while since I made one of these. The thread itself is quick and I have wanted to make it for a while ever since I first saw Daemon had a profile. I was reminded after seeing a comment on it in the Naruto and Boruto discussion thread.

Simply put Daemon and by extension Shibai should get Causality Manipulation and Reality Warping with their attack reflection. As it does not just reflect the attack like normal ie bouncing it back like a projectile or even teleporting the attack it you. It reflects the end result as said by the people that know the ability best.

Here are the explanations and the uses we see:











https://i.imgur.com/GgznNJN.png

These instances fit those 2 abilities as he takes the cause, ignores the follow up and switches the target of the effect from himself to the user. The attacks only bring about the intended result as well.

Example, the blast from the mook. The mook intended to fire at Daemon but he did not even get to do so but the mook's head exploded as if he had been hit with a blast.

The axe wielder prepares to throw his axe but his axe appears on his head already split apart without even the throwing part.

The swordsman does not get his sword fully out of his sheathe and his head falls to the ground.

Kawaki's arms do not move but he gets knocked back as if he was punched.

I think all these instances fit.

 

[Samlex1234]

I totally agree with Causality manipulation,, the reality warping stuff is shaky so im neutral for now.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Shouldn't be debated, I naturally agree

 

[Testarossa002]

I don't know about Reality Warping but I agree with Causality Manipulation
It's been a stance I've argued for offsite when the character was first introduced
Attack Reflection requires an attack to actually be made
While daemon can do that, he's also shown the ability to "reflect" the very intent behind attacks as seen in the OP.
If Goku (for instance) intends to punch Daemon's head off, Goku loses his head even though he can typically tank his own punches (I hope)
Power and the likes don't apply to Daemon
So yeah, mark me down as agree for Causality Manipulation. No stance on Reality Warping though

 

[Rocker1189]

I don't know about Reality Warping but I agree with Causality Manipulation
It's been a stance I've argued for offsite when the character was first introduced
Attack Reflection requires an attack to actually be made
While daemon can do that, he's also shown the ability to "reflect" the very intent behind attacks as seen in the OP.
If Goku (for instance) intends to punch Daemon's head off, Goku loses his head even though he can typically tank his own punches (I hope)
Power and the likes don't apply to Daemon
So yeah, mark me down as agree for Causality Manipulation. No stance on Reality Warping though

The reason for reality warping is how it does appear to manipulate reality like the axe guy. His axe just appears in his head.

 

[Kayzz]

Agree for both.

The reason for reality warping is how it does appear to manipulate reality like the axe guy. His axe just appears in his head.

Obvious, it can create various injuries from imagination, and warp objects into opponents likely even without using the pre-existing source.

 

[Nierre]

Agree to both.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Been a while since I made one of these. The thread itself is quick and I have wanted to make it for a while ever since I first saw Daemon had a profile. I was reminded after seeing a comment on it in the Naruto and Boruto discussion thread.

Simply put Daemon and by extension Shibai should get Causality Manipulation and Reality Warping with their attack reflection. As it does not just reflect the attack like normal ie bouncing it back like a projectile or even teleporting the attack it you. It reflects the end result as said by the people that know the ability best.

Here are the explanations and the uses we see:











https://i.imgur.com/GgznNJN.png

These instances fit those 2 abilities as he takes the cause, ignores the follow up and switches the target of the effect from himself to the user. The attacks only bring about the intended result as well.

Example, the blast from the mook. The mook intended to fire at Daemon but he did not even get to do so but the mook's head exploded as if he had been hit with a blast.

The axe wielder prepares to throw his axe but his axe appears on his head already split apart without even the throwing part.

The swordsman does not get his sword fully out of his sheathe and his head falls to the ground.

Kawaki's arms do not move but he gets knocked back as if he was punched.

I think all these instances fit.

Agree with casuality manipulation. I don't fully understand the RW part but i guess i'd leave it to others

Agree to both.

I'm gonna spam nierre in all my future boruto threads

 

[Kayzz]

Should add information analysis since it reads the imagination of the oppknent

 

[GoldenVortex94]

Agree with Causality Manipulation

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

The reason for reality warping is how it does appear to manipulate reality like the axe guy. His axe just appears in his head.

I still think that would be just byproduct of causality manipulation,
Tho I agree on causality manipulation.

 

[Rocker1189]

I still think that would be just byproduct of causality manipulation,
Tho I agree on causality manipulation.

Honestly I don't mind either way.
@Kayzz
Idk, Daemon can not see the information nor does he do it consciously besides deactivating the ability when he wants to actually fight himself. So info analysis does not really seem right.

 

[Kayzz]

I still think that would be just byproduct of causality manipulation,
Tho I agree on causality manipulation.

I would think there would be a better classifying term than intent reflection. Oh well...

Honestly I don't mind either way.
@Kayzz
Idk, Daemon can not see the information nor does he do it consciously besides deactivating the ability when he wants to actually fight himself. So info analysis does not really seem right.

Do we have another classification for that since 'info analysis' don't fit? Or we stick to intent reflection.

 

[Nierre]

I still think that would be just byproduct of causality manipulation,
Tho I agree on causality manipulation.

The way I see it is like this:

the byproduct of Causality Manipulation would be the actual effect of the attack. So if I intend to shoot Daemon, before I even pull the trigger there'd be a bullet wound in my chest. Like he did with the guy with the sword, before he could even completely unsheathe his sword his head got lobbed off.

But Reality Warping would be before I even pull the trigger the bullet is already in my head and the gun is to my head, like we see with the guy with the axe. He didn't even swing his axe and the axe appeared in his head. They're related but they are different. I think maybe limited RW is fine

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

This looks good. I agree with both, though maybe the RW should be limited like Nierre said.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

I think maybe limited RW is fine

Yeah should be limited

 

[Tdjwo]

I remembered claiming it was causality manipulation years ago when Daemon was first introduced. But Deceived and Reio couldn't see the vision

 

[Nierre]

link broken

 

[Tdjwo]

Back in 2022

https://vsbattles.com/threads/borut...55th-street-custer.140989/page-2#post-5016376

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I completely agree

 

[Nierre]

Back in 2022

https://vsbattles.com/threads/borut...55th-street-custer.140989/page-2#post-5016376

funny, i disagreed with it back then. I disagree with myself lol

 

[Tdjwo]

Not the first time

 

[Tdjwo]

funny, i disagreed with it back then. I disagree with myself lol

You're a staff member now? Damn. Congrats.

 

[Sasukesama0492]

I agree

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Sasukesama0492]

These changes will be added to Shibai s profile right?

 

[karo_senpaii]

These changes will be added to Shibai s profile right?

yup

 

[Sasukesama0492]

So.....Ig it can be applied for profiles now, right??

 

[GodSinBad2280]

I disagree with reality warping.

 

[Sasukesama0492]

Is Daemon's ability passive then? Because Code said that Daemon's ability works independently and the reflection is instantaneous

And at the moment of reflection, he was not touching anyone

 

[Kayzz]

I disagree with reality warping.

Limited reality warping

 

[Rocker1189]

Is Daemon's ability passive then? Because Code said that Daemon's ability works independently and the reflection is instantaneous

And at the moment of reflection, he was not touching anyone

I mean I always took at least a part of it as passive as it is portrayed multiple times.

 

[Sasukesama0492]

I mean I always took at least a part of it as passive as it is portrayed multiple times.

When will u apply the changes to the profile???

 

[Rich987]

I believe there's more to it. I think he already has Durability Denial due to Causality Manipulation, with the ability to reflect the end result of an imaginary mental image of the enemy to him. But I believe that Reflection has an infinite range of possibilities depending on the enemy's mental image.

For example, if Bills imagines himself erasing the Daemon with a Hakai due to pure lack of interest in him, the result (erasing the Daemon's existence) is reflected in himself, giving him the ability to reflect through Bills' mental image, existential erasure.

 

[Rocker1189]

When will u apply the changes to the profile???

Is there enough acceptance? Been a while since I made a CRT lol.

 

[The_Alxhemist]

Is Daemon's ability passive then? Because Code said that Daemon's ability works independently and the reflection is instantaneous

And at the moment of reflection, he was not touching anyone

Its always been portrayed as passive fr the most part. The best interpretation is probably that it's both active for attacks and passive for intent.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Is there enough acceptance? Been a while since I made a CRT lol.

you have three votes
it's ready to be applied

 

[Deceived3596]

Three evaluating staff members agreeing with the thread is enough to get this thread passed.

Just make sure to not forget about Shibai when adding this stuff, since he also has the ability as well.

 

[Rocker1189]

I have made the changes to the pages so this can be closed.

 

[Trihexa102]

I have made the changes to the pages so this can be closed.

you forgot to add damage boost on daemon's profile too.