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Boosting Tower of God through the upper floor

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Arceus0x

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Waddup, it's me and my boy @ImNot4nUser here with a big ol' revision that'll reverse flow control your socks off.

First off

Family Heads should be High 6-A

Basically, this is what is said about Zahard

The power of Zahard can tear apart the Hidden Floor. The hidden floor is, well, a floor, that houses mountains, towers that are hundreds of kilometers tall and more. Basically what I am trying to say is - it's called a floor, it looks like a floor, it functions like a floor - it has to be the same size as a real floor.
Since Zahard can wipe out this floor it'd make sense for him to be High 6-A, scaling from the calc we use for the admininstrators.

Next up, every FH would scale since they downscale from Zahard.
Admins and Enryu would be "At least High 6-A" and would upscale heavily from the FHs since they are effectively nothing to them.

Traumerei should be High 6-A and "varies, up to High 6-A with animal summons" since the animal summons are basically his main form of combat and thus it'd make sense for them to scale.

So overall a big revision to these guys.
Next on our list

Rak Chadraiser goes super sayian

My boy Rak is getting his big moment.
Here are some scans of his transformation.

From this we get that Rak has gained
-Strength enough to take a high ranker - an easy 6-B rating
-Flight
-Better Rock manipulation
-Danmaku
-weapon creation with the spear he threw, he can also create weapons out of the rocks

Additionally Rak should have flight post-White fight

Next up

BAM GETS EVEN MORE BROKEN

First off
Bam gets a resistance to extreme colds since he survived being encased in ice that froze shinsu and then broke out of it and had no frostbite or any lasting damage.
Shinsu is everything in the tower, including air and such and since there was no water or anything that means that it has to be at least as cold as -213 degrees since that is the freezing point of air.

Second, Bam gets a new key. His new key is his Leviathan boost, which is 6-B because he fought branch heads with it in base, Thorn + Leviathan boost and his TSM + leviathan boost. Leviathan boost + Thorn key should be 6-B+ as it'd scale above the level of branch heads. His TSM+Leviathan key is significanctly stronger and should be superior to his normal TSM state at that point and thus be High 6-B.

Third, Bam gets Power Modification with first thorn as he was able to copy Tiara's Reality Warping automatically. With second thorn he was able to hijack the destination of teleportation.
 
Arceus0x said:
Waddup, it's me and my boy @ImNot4nUser here with a big ol' revision that'll reverse flow control your socks off.

First off

Family Heads should be High 6-A

Basically, this is what is said about Zahard

The power of Zahard can tear apart the Hidden Floor. The hidden floor is, well, a floor, that houses mountains, towers that are hundreds of kilometers tall and more. Basically what I am trying to say is - it's called a floor, it looks like a floor, it functions like a floor - it has to be the same size as a real floor.
Since Zahard can wipe out this floor it'd make sense for him to be High 6-A, scaling from the calc we use for the admininstrators.

Next up, every FH would scale since they downscale from Zahard.
Admins and Enryu would be "At least High 6-A" and would upscale heavily from the FHs since they are effectively nothing to them.

Traumerei should be High 6-A and "varies, up to High 6-A with animal summons" since the animal summons are basically his main form of combat and thus it'd make sense for them to scale.
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They scale to 2 times the calc for the Administrator since there are 2 Floors instead of 1, The Hidden Floor and The "Hidden" Hidden Floor.
The Administrators should also scale to that feat.
 
Arceus0x said:
can you send the scan for that if possible so no questions arise?
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Arceus0x said:
Rak Chadraiser goes super sayian

My boy Rak is getting his big moment.
Here are some scans of his transformation.

From this we get that Rak has gained
-Strength enough to take a high ranker - an easy 6-B rating
-Flight
-Better Rock manipulation
-Danmaku
-weapon creation with the spear he threw, he can also create weapons out of the rocks

Additionally Rak should have flight post-White fight

Next up

BAM GETS EVEN MORE BROKEN

First off
Bam gets a resistance to extreme colds since he survived being encased in ice that froze shinsu and then broke out of it and had no frostbite or any lasting damage.
Shinsu is everything in the tower, including air and such and since there was no water or anything that means that it has to be at least as cold as -213 degrees since that is the freezing point of air.

Second, Bam gets a new key. His new key is his Leviathan boost, which is 6-B because he fought branch heads with it in base, Thorn + Leviathan boost and his TSM + leviathan boost. Leviathan boost + Thorn key should be 6-B+ as it'd scale above the level of branch heads. His TSM+Leviathan key is significanctly stronger and should be superior to his normal TSM state at that point and thus be High 6-B.

Third, Bam gets Power Modification with first thorn as he was able to copy Tiara's Reality Warping automatically. With second thorn he was able to hijack the destination of teleportation.
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We should had powers and scaling chain at the end of the arc, i also have something that will change TOG for good.
 
Arceus0x said:
Basically, this is what is said about Zahard
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".........The power of the Jahad on the outside will interfere with this place and destroy everything"
If this is the statement you are referring to, then I disagree, as it is a single statement with no more context, so we do not know and cannot say how it will be destroyed, whether by a single attack or by multiple attacks or overtime or what would be the cause of the destruction, or it may be his armies e.t.c. the point is that we can not say how it is going to be, hence I disagree with using the statement
 
PrinceofPein said:
".........The power of the Jahad on the outside will interfere with this place and destroy everything"
If this is the statement you are referring to, then I disagree, as it is a single statement with no more context, so we do not know and cannot say how it will be destroyed, whether by a single attack or by multiple attacks or overtime or what would be the cause of the destruction, or it may be his armies e.t.c. the point is that we can not say how it is going to be, hence I disagree with using the statement
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First off this is definitely not an army since in the end of the arc Zahard (or at least his power, he doesn't seem to have physically gone there) enters the floor himself, alone.
Second, I will leave the proper response to @ImNot4nUser since that is mainly his proposal.
Third, for now I'll give you a re-tranalation of the og korean text
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there are two reasons why the zahard from outside created this scale.
the first was to make sure that the people here would not upset the balance of this place, and the second was to be able to destroy this place in case of an extreme situation.
huang thinks he will be able to get out of here if he breaks the scale and reflects himself in the mirror, but the opposite is true.
that action will only create a rift in this place, and that rift will become a breach that would allow the zahard from the outside to intervene in this place.
that is how everything was set up from the beginning.
if the balance is broken, the power of the zahard from outside will enter this place and destroy everything.
That...
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"
I'll leave the source of the translation to Imn4 as well since that is his.
Either way it is Zahard power that enters and destroys it.
 
Wasn't Baam and Data Zahad attacks were already was able to shake the whole floor? Which should Solidify Real Zahad scaling. Right.

My memory is not clear. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Arceus0x said:
First off this is definitely not an army since in the end of the arc Zahard (or at least his power, he doesn't seem to have physically gone there) enters the floor himself, alone.
Second, I will leave the proper response to @ImNot4nUser since that is mainly his proposal.
Third, for now I'll give you a re-tranalation of the og korean text
"

"
I'll leave the source of the translation to Imn4 as well since that is his.
Either way it is Zahard power that enters and destroys it.
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Still we do not know how or how many attacks and the new quotes does not point that out also
 
Also, do mind that what is going to destroy the whole floor is not even Zahard's real power but a fragment insignificant to the power of Zahard real body. And it was that insignificant power that was going to destroy the Hidden Floor.
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PrinceofPein said:
Still we do not know how or how many attacks and the new quotes does not point that out also
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The intention of the scene makes it as an instant assured destruction, to the point that the Format Pill of Eduan that deleted the whole floor in one go was seen as "**** it, may as well use it" move because both alternatives still ended with the total destruction of the floor. Even Data!Z believed that. The whole reason he didn't destroy it was because he was occupied doing his big villain spiel while killing Baam, again and trying to rationalize what would make the replica of his own past to try and save that boy.

Likewise, the fact that a system that can sustain a replica of an entire floor sized space yet can't really digitalize Zahard's full power but merely a "nothing" part of his power compared to his real power is also another reason to sustain that belief.
 
I guess these are fine at glance, although I'm not really certain on the verse's mechanics of context
 
BeTheWay1rst said:
I agree, also, what is your final opinion about https://vsbattles.com/threads/boosting-tower-of-god-through-the-upper-floor.170727/post-6668934
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Disagree on 2x since we don't know if the hidden hidden floor is as big as the normal floor, only that the hidden floor is.
BeTheWay1rst said:
Rak should also get Awakening power, Berserk mode and resistance to Blood manipulation&Body puppetry.
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Awakening power isn't a thing and he already has transformation

I agree on berserk mode

I don't see how he gets resistance to blood manipulation or body puppetry
 
Arceus0x said:
This gives me nothing, we don't send wiki profiles as evidence, we use actual screenshots from the comic to prove stuff.
Additionally we don't know how chupacabra sucks out blood from people and never see it do that or try to do that to Rak. It's body puppetry only works on people whose blood they sucked out.
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It's in the Webtoon, I only send you the Wiki since i was thinking that you already read it as the Thread starter, but even then this should be enough to give Rak resistance to Blood manip
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The whole chapter is here https://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-3-ep-191/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=609
 
BeTheWay1rst said:
It's in the Webtoon, I only send you the Wiki since i was thinking that you already read it as the Thread starter, but even then this should be enough to give Rak resistance to Blood manip
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83-n4qUZO3Teqj3i.png
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The whole chapter is here https://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-3-ep-191/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=609
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Buddy you don't seem to understand, you're not proving it to just me, but also the staff members who evaluate the CRT which allows it to pass through. For that you have to send the og scans.

Anyways the scans still don't show one thing - did Rak resist because of an inherent resistance or because of his durability? I believe it's through durability since we see no wounds on him later, meaning this ain't a resistance.
 
Arceus0x said:
I believe it's through durability since we see no wounds on him later, meaning this ain't a resistance.
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It's not stated that Chupacabra need to wound his opponent to drain blood.
Also, we can see drainning sound (Glug/Slurp ) effects, Rashut also implied that Rak was being drained:
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BeTheWay1rst said:
It's not stated that Chupacabra need to wound his opponent to drain blood.
Also, we can see drainning sound (Glug/Slurp ) effects, Rashut also implied that Rak was being drained:
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I guess limited resistance to blood manipulation is good then... Maybe. I'm not sure cause for all we know it just wasn't fast enough and Rak simply broke out in time.
Not body puppetry though, since that only works via refilling a body with chupacabra blood.
 
Arceus0x said:
I guess limited resistance to blood manipulation is good then... Maybe. I'm not sure cause for all we know it just wasn't fast enough and Rak simply broke out in time.
Not body puppetry though, since that only works via refilling a body with chupacabra blood.
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Does Berserk mode also cover reactive evolution ? Since Rak was getting stronger overtime and even his rock power become better.
 
BeTheWay1rst said:
Does Berserk mode also cover reactive evolution ? Since Rak was getting stronger overtime and even his rock power become better.
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what he was doing wasn't really reactive evolution. Reactive evolution is more so getting shot in the body but then evolving your body to resist it. What he did was at most some passive stat amp similar to how the thorn passively made Bam stronger, and even then we could argue that this was just Rak getting used to his new powers. If we see it in action again we'll decide whether it is a stat amp or not.
 
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Tower of God General Discussion Thread Part 5

Wait based on what? During 43rd floor arc inhabitants of that floor were able to resurrect/Regenerate thanks to their soul was divided from their bodied and kept it somewhere and it worked as immortality for them. Yuri was able to negate their Regeneration and immortality with Sword Series...
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Can you add it ?
 
BeTheWay1rst said:
vsbattles.com

Tower of God General Discussion Thread Part 5

Wait based on what? During 43rd floor arc inhabitants of that floor were able to resurrect/Regenerate thanks to their soul was divided from their bodied and kept it somewhere and it worked as immortality for them. Yuri was able to negate their Regeneration and immortality with Sword Series...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
Can you add it ?
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Nah that's your CRT, do it yourself
 
BeTheWay1rst said:
You are a celebrity here on top of being more experienced than me, and more than that even if i get is accepted i can add it since i don't know how to do it.
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I am not a celebrity, I've just been here a while so some people know me. If you wanna organize a CRT with me let's do it later since I've more plans coming up and I am waiting for the official release on webtoons (no fast pass) to catch up with the korean release so we can upgrade some stuff.
 
Arceus0x said:
I am not a celebrity, I've just been here a while so some people know me. If you wanna organize a CRT with me let's do it later since I've more plans coming up and I am waiting for the official release on webtoons (no fast pass) to catch up with the korean release so we can upgrade some stuff.
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Do you know someone that can do it ?
About Administrators Attack Potency and Lifting Strength:
Since even splitting clouds ( https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DemonGodMitchAubin/Black_Clover:_Asta_splits_the_clouds ) can give high result then something better like moving the Entiere Superdense Atmosphere of a Supercontinent into a single point should give even higher results by logical.
Can somebody calc it ? It should give a better result than https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Arceus0x/Admininstrator_Floor_destruction_REMIX
Only Administrators Enryu and Phantaminum scale to is for now.
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BeTheWay1rst said:
Do you know someone that can do it ?
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here's the deal mate, if you want something to go through, do it yourself and I'll support you on your thread.
You gotta understand, the only reason people evaluate a good chunk of the CRTs is because you go to a staff member's wall and ask them to come check it out. I'll help you out with this so I'd recommend you wait for the current CRT to finish and then later you can release the big CRT you were planning.
 
Arceus0x said:
here's the deal mate, if you want something to go through, do it yourself and I'll support you on your thread.
You gotta understand, the only reason people evaluate a good chunk of the CRTs is because you go to a staff member's wall and ask them to come check it out. I'll help you out with this so I'd recommend you wait for the current CRT to finish and then later you can release the big CRT you were planning.
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Yes, you already told me that and we are already talking about abilities Verse Thread, is was asking if you know someone that can calc the Admin feat.
 
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