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(Bleach) Yhwach vs Shaka Virgo (Saint seiya)

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Yhwach

Yhwach (ユーハバッハ, Yūhabahha?) is the Father of the Quincy, the monarch of the Wandenreich, and the son of the Soul King, known by the designation "A" - The Almighty. As a baby, Yhwach was incapable of sight, speech, or even the slightest movement, but never feared or despaired, as he knew he would...
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Virgo Shaka

Virgo Shaka (乙女座のシャカ or Barugo no Shaka), the Gold Saint in the constellation Virgo in Saint Seiya, is one of the most serene and one of the strongest. Being a reincarnation of a Buddha, he is called to be "The Man Closest to the Gods." Tier: 4-C, at most, 4-A Key: Sanctuary Arc | Hades Arc...
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What kind of Acausality does he even have? type 1/2/3/4? and on what level is it

If so, yhwach pretty much resists everything he has, and just erases him from the future or just insta kills him with soul crush, if his soul manipulation isn't as layered as bleach.

I don't see anything on his profile that can put yhwach down either way
 
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The profiles will be undergoing a massive revision in the next year which will completely overhaul the entire verse.

The Acausality comes from resisting passive causality hax of Chronos with pure Cosmo energy. Which this causality hax makes sure all timelines in the multiverse have no interference from dimension jumpers, time travelers, or distortions. If any of the such are detected then chronoses causality hax attempts to fix such errors by moving them to their proper place which can be resisted by pure Cosmo energy.

Can someone links ywhachs profile here? I'm on a tome crunch today.

Thank you!
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
The profiles will be undergoing a massive revision in the next year which will completely overhaul the entire verse.

The Acausality comes from resisting passive causality hax of Chronos with pure Cosmo energy. Which this causality hax makes sure all timelines in the multiverse have no interference from dimension jumpers, time travelers, or distortions. If any of the such are detected then chronoses causality hax attempts to fix such errors by moving them to their proper place which can be resisted by pure Cosmo energy.

Can someone links ywhachs profile here? I'm on a tome crunch today.

Thank you!
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Yhwach

Yhwach (ユーハバッハ, Yūhabahha?) is the Father of the Quincy, the monarch of the Wandenreich, and the son of the Soul King, known by the designation "A" - The Almighty. As a baby, Yhwach was incapable of sight, speech, or even the slightest movement, but never feared or despaired, as he knew he would...
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Purgy said:
It depends on the type and dimensionality but the profile lists neither so it's irrelevant.
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It’s type 4 as I recall, and I’m pretty sure acuas is 4-d by default, but seeing as his comes from time shenanigans, it would logically be 4-d anyway
 
StekFence said:
It’s type 4 as I recall, and I’m pretty sure acuas is 4-d by default, but seeing as his comes from time shenanigans, it would logically be 4-d anyway
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I'm fairly sure you're wrong on both of those things

Putting aside the Fate Manip for a moment though, as this is Yhwach at his strongest, what can Virgo do about this?
The Vanishing Point - Enhanced Invisibility, Nonexistent Physiology (Nature: Type 1 and 3 - Aspect: Type 1 and 3), Illusion Creation, Memory Manipulation and Statistics Amplification (The Vanishing Point is an ability that works in 3 stages. In stage one, Yhwach becomes invisible to even Shinigami[156] and retains his ability to attack[157] by making his form disappear. In stage two, Yhwach is capable of causing his very existence to disappear, leaving behind an illusory image of himself as the last remainder of his existence[158]. Yhwach can switch between each stage instantly[159]. The third stage of The Vanishing Point allows Yhwach to erase his very existence from the opponents memory[160]. The Vanishing Slider focuses all of his spiritual pressure to move backwards faster than the reaction of his opponent[161])
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Acausality is absolutely not assumed to be 4-d unless the causality system in verse is higher D.

Infinite 4-D Fate and power null go brrrr
 
Zencha9 said:
what if
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NEP negs.



Mid-Godly regeneration Negation negs.



Layered Mid-Godly in 2 forms (Almighty and The Miracle.) also neg.



Also I think there's an ongoing CRT about Yhwach getting High-Godly regeneration but I doubt that'll realistically go anywhere.
 
LordGinSama said:
NEP negs.



Mid-Godly regeneration Negation negs.



Layered Mid-Godly in 2 forms (Almighty and The Miracle.) also neg.



Also I think there's an ongoing CRT about Yhwach getting High-Godly regeneration but I doubt that'll realistically go anywhere.
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So far, there have been no counter arguments against the HGR, mostly just waiting for more staff input
 
What's with all Saint Seiya profiles being so out of date/poorly made? Afaik, listing the type of AE/Acausality has been a requirement for several years at this point...

Really they should be banned from VS threads or just straight up deleted
 
LordGinSama said:
NEP negs.



Mid-Godly regeneration Negation negs.



Layered Mid-Godly in 2 forms (Almighty and The Miracle.) also neg.



Also I think there's an ongoing CRT about Yhwach getting High-Godly regeneration but I doubt that'll realistically go anywhere.
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bruh
 
LordGinSama said:
Acausality is absolutely not assumed to be 4-d unless the causality system in verse is higher D.

Infinite 4-D Fate and power null go brrrr
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The feat for acausality comes from resisting hax that comes from a 4-d being, so it should be 4-d based on that.
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Putting aside the Fate Manip for a moment though, as this is Yhwach at his strongest, what can Virgo do about this?
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Well let’s see, Matter hax doesn’t work on material nonexistence, I suppose he could attack his soul? Idk much about nep so that might be bull. Also, what’s the justification for the aspect 3 nep?
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Mid-Godly regeneration Negation negs.



Layered Mid-Godly in 2 forms (Almighty and The Miracle.) also neg.
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Hades resisted Mid godly regen negation tho. and was going to kill Athena who has the same resistance Permanently. Failing that, death concept manip should work, considering it worked on a city, which isn’t even alive.
 
StekFence said:
Well let’s see, Matter hax doesn’t work on material nonexistence, I suppose he could attack his soul? Idk much about nep so that might be bull. Also, what’s the justification for the aspect 3 nep?
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Yhwach is NEP on a physical, spiritual and mental level with The Vanishing Point

The mind and soul are intertwined in Bleach, so it was agreed that when Yhwach's soul becomes nonexistent his mind would as well
 
Bleach has very layered soul hax, so i doubt any soul manipulation is going to do anything.
Their profile still uses soul hax range as the potency, which was changed.
Pretty sure yhwach just crushes his soul
 
in the current state of Shaka's profile. I don't see any wincons for Shaka tbh, besides maybe law manipulation does he resist that?


wait until Shaka becomes a Tier 1 Smurf when im done.
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
in the current state of Shaka's profile. I don't see any wincons for Shaka tbh, besides maybe law manipulation does he resist that?


wait until Shaka becomes a Tier 1 Smurf when im done.
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He doesn't resist law manipulation directly but from how it's worded on Virgo's profile it seems to result in a manipulation of causality, which Yhwach does resist.
 
Purgy said:
He doesn't resist law manipulation directly but from how it's worded on Virgo's profile it seems to result in a manipulation of causality, which Yhwach does resist.
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Lille barro resists law manipulation through shunsui's shikai / bankai
 
Purgy said:
He doesn't resist law manipulation directly but from how it's worded on Virgo's profile it seems to result in a manipulation of causality, which Yhwach does resist.
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It’s the other way around. by using law manip, he can use causality manip
 
Purgy said:
He doesn't resist law manipulation directly but from how it's worded on Virgo's profile it seems to result in a manipulation of causality, which Yhwach does resist.
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no, hes controlling the laws of the universe to control causality.
 
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