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Bleach speed scaling.

Yea, wasn't the mimihagi speed feat after he fused with the soul king or began the process? I don't recall.
 
it was after uyruu dispatched ichigo and the gang, then Yhwach turned his attention to the Mimmihagi who attacked him, but yhwach reacted to it and grabbed it and then began to absorb it
 
Alakabamm proposes something very reasonable. Ichigo was playing around with the other Stenritters. Casually shrugging of anything they did, even shouted at Candice for trying to take his casual Getsuga. I think we can agree on that,


All the Yhwach stuff was serious Ichigo. It was also Yhwach (pre Mimihagi), meaning he is Mach 3500 from Ichibei.

Who else agrees?
 
Quincy Emperor said:
All the Yhwach stuff was serious Ichigo. It was also Yhwach (pre Mimihagi), meaning he is Mach 3500 from Ichibei.
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Yhwach pre Mimihagi is not was is discuss here. Yhwach grab and react it to Mimihagi's speed before absorbing it. His future sight doesn't work on it, so you cannot use that. And Ichigo just fought moments earlier with him in there. Did Yhwach got a speed boost off-screen?

It happen like this:

Yhwach fought Ichibei

Yhwach becomes Almighty

Ichigo fought Yhwach

Yhwach and Mimihagi trash at the same speed

Ichigo falls from the palace with everyone else, because Uryu destroys the floor

Yhwach reacts to Mimihagi's movements again, you cannot say he saw the future to react to it, because Yhwach stated that his Almighty doesn't work on him

Yhwach absorbs Mimihagi

Yhwach absorbs Soul King
 
Hokage, Yhwach was beyond distracted. He was repeatedly so distracted Yoruichi managed to wire him up, Ichigo managed to attack him, which he blocked.

And here you mix stuff up. He tears off the Mimihagi and "Reacts" to him. He only gets the speed boost himself for absorbing all of it's power (it's proven by Auswahlen that his method of redistributing power increases all stats, shown with the revived elites taking out the man who speedblitzed them with ease). Reaction speed is far higher than combat speed, considering the distance and the fact that Uryu turned to the Mimihagi (he noticed something) and the black panel before shows movement, means Yhwach and Uryu both notice it's going to do something, just not what. He would be keeping an eye on it, since he intended to take it's powers. So he reacts to Mimihagi and takes it's powers. Hell, Sub Rel or not at that moment. Ichigo can fight him, which he obviously scales to. Yhwach was also playing around, throwing them off the palace and not looking all that bothered or perturbed + Almighty working for future sight lessens reaction time.
 
Quincy Emperor said:
Hokage, Yhwach was beyond distracted. He was repeatedly so distracted Yoruichi managed to wire him up, Ichigo managed to attack him, which he blocked.
And here you mix stuff up. He tears off the Mimihagi and "Reacts" to him. He only gets the speed boost himself for absorbing all of it's power (it's proven by Auswahlen that his method of redistributing power increases all stats, shown with the revived elites taking out the man who speedblitzed them with ease). Reaction speed is far higher than combat speed, considering the distance and the fact that Uryu turned to the Mimihagi (he noticed something) and the black panel before shows movement, means Yhwach and Uryu both notice it's going to do something, just not what. He would be keeping an eye on it, since he intended to take it's powers. So he reacts to Mimihagi and takes it's powers. Hell, Sub Rel or not at that moment. Ichigo can fight him, which he obviously scales to. Yhwach was also playing around, throwing them off the palace and not looking all that bothered or perturbed + Almighty working for future sight lessens reaction time.
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Why would he be distracted if he can see the future? He just can't see Mimihagi. What do you mean by Ichigo powerscaling? Is Ichigo also sub-relativistic? or should Yhwach be MHS+ in speed and combat, with Sub-relativistic reactions? Mimihagi also blocked an attend to be grabbed by Yhwach:

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i3/img/bleach/617/bleach-5518609.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i1/img/bleach/617/bleach-5518611.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i8/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529911.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i8/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529913.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i2/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529915.jpg
 
He's distracted because the Mimihagi is interfering in his plans. He was pretty damn irritated about it, focusing more on that than anyone else and he continued to do so. He had Sub Rel reactions before absorbing it, but he took its stats for his own and its powers. The Almighty didn't raise his speed or anything, it doesn't do that. Hell, considering the closeness, the fact that he was focusing on it and that Uryu noticed it was going to move before it tried to grab him significantly reduces the time Yhwach needed to react.

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i2/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529915.jpg that was a scan of Ichigo blocking Yhwach from attacking the perfectly still an unmoving Mimihagi....


  • Edit: Going to bed, continue without me.
 
I agree with RavenSupreme, Alakabamm, and Faisal. We can likely place them at an unspecified "Massively Hypersonic+", but not assign specific numbers based on speculation.
 
What about scaling them to Ichibei/Ichigo. Which is a reasonable thing to do, if you agree with my explanation. The Elites are much closer to Ichibei in base than most realise. As Alakabamm said "Ichibei = Yhwach = Ichigo (fought with Yhwach) = Askin (caught Ichigo off guard) = Elite Sternritter = anyone who kept up with Elite Sternritter" The Yhwach was before gaining the Mimihagi's speed for himself. Meaning it's Mach 3500.

Edit: Better explanation
 
All you"d do downgrade Yhwach and mimihagi since that exact same Ichigo who intercepted Yhwach was caught off guard by many MHS+ fodder Sternritters
 
No, Yhwach ot his Sub Rel after absorbing all of the power of the Mimihagi (Auswahlen is shown that when power it exchanged, there speed increases. Seen by the Elites destroy the RG who could blitz them.

MHS+ caught off guard Ichigo? You mean the Ichigo who was messing around and being casual with Candice and easily shrugging of, countering and avoiding everything Candice did to him, along with Meninas etc.
 
Nope I was referring to pre Mimihagi absorbed yhwach who is apparently sub relativistic yet he was intercepted by Ichigo and could react to mimihagi whom he couldn't predict unlike Ichigo.

In turn amounts to Ichigo > mimihagi.

And Ichigo was intercepted by many while going after yhwach including Bazz B and a few others he wasn't messing around when trying to stop Yhwach.
 
He wasn't messing when going after Yhwach, but he was very "Distracted".


Yhwach Pre Mimihagi should not be Sub Relatavistic. It's only after absorbing it he should be, since he gains all of its powers. This means the speed feats thus far are pretty consistent too. I'll make a seperate thread about it.
 
Quincy Emperor said:
He wasn't messing when going after Yhwach, but he was very "Distracted".


Yhwach Pre Mimihagi should not be Sub Relatavistic. It's only after absorbing it he should be, since he gains all of its powers. This means the speed feats thus far are pretty consistent too. I'll make a seperate thread about it.
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Agreed.

I just don't want mimihagi being scaled to chars who have shown lower speeds and turning his feats into outliers since that was mentioned in the comment section a while ago.
 
It happen like this:

Yhwach fought Ichibei

Yhwach becomes Almighty

Ichigo fought Yhwach

Yhwach and Mimihagi trash at the same speed

Ichigo falls from the palace with everyone else, because Uryu destroys the floor

Yhwach reacts to Mimihagi's movements again, you cannot say he saw the future to react to it, because Yhwach stated that his Almighty doesn't work on him

Yhwach absorbs Mimihagi

Yhwach absorbs Soul King
 
Quincy Emperor said:
Almighty gives no speed increase, check out this: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/259842 for my entire input.
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Yhwach grab and react it to Mimihagi's speed before absorbing it. His future sight doesn't work on it, so you cannot use that.

Either Ichigo also sub-relativistic (which i doubt) or should Yhwach be MHS+ in speed and combat, with Sub-relativistic reactions?

Mimihagi also blocked an attend to be grabbed by Yhwach:

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i3/img/bleach/617/bleach-5518609.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i1/img/bleach/617/bleach-5518611.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i8/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529911.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i8/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529913.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i2/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529915.jpg

This only applies to Almighty Yhwach by the way. (Yhwach/Mimihagi absorb and Yhwach/Soul King absorb are two different tiers)
 
Read the thread please lol.


Also for the second time

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i8/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529913.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i2/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529915.jpg

Ichigo blocks the attack aimed at the Mimihagi. I have no idea where you got the idea the Mimihagi blocked anything. That appears to be Yhwach's attack, which Ichigo then breaks as he comes in. It also doesn't take into account that Mimihagi had all the time in the world to react since Yhwach was having a small shouting match first, if that is the Mimihagi who blocked it. It's hard to tell (Yhwach's uses Black energy bases attacks of some kind often. Like to absorb stuff.)
 
Quincy Emperor said:
Read the thread please lol.


Also for the second time

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i8/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529913.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i2/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529915.jpg

Ichigo blocks the attack aimed at the Mimihagi. I have no idea where you got the idea the Mimihagi blocked anything. That appears to be Yhwach's attack, which Ichigo then breaks as he comes in. It also doesn't take into account that Mimihagi had all the time in the world to react since Yhwach was having a small shouting match first, if that is the Mimihagi who blocked it. It's hard to tell (Yhwach's uses Black energy bases attacks of some kind often. Like to absorb stuff.)
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Actually in the link you see clearly that Mimihag'is black shadows makes a wall before Yhwach retrieves his hand and when he tries to sharterred in his second go Ichigo grabs his hand.
 
If that is so, the Mimihagi is currently faster than Yhwach and not only that. Mimihagi basically had it telegraphed to him that Yhwach was going to attack, reducing reaction time needed, like with precog. It's not a argument against what I proposed on my thread anyway.
 
Quincy Emperor said:
If that is so, the Mimihagi is currently faster than Yhwach and not only that. Mimihagi basically had it telegraphed to him that Yhwach was going to attack, reducing reaction time needed, like with precog. It's not a argument against what I proposed on my thread anyway.
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Yhwach said that both Mimihaig and the Soul King can see the Future. Yhwach with Almighty is MHS+ with Sub-Relativistic reactions, after absorbing Mimihagi like he stated, he takes his power becoming fully sub-relativistic.
 
Yhwach said that both Mimihaig and the Soul King can see the Future. Yhwach with Almighty is MHS+ with Sub-Relativistic reactions, after absorbing Mimihagi like he stated, he takes his power becoming fully sub-relativistic.

This I am totally agreed with. Comment this on my thread if you want and explain your opinion for the ease of access for others who view it.
 
This I am totally agreed with. Comment this on my thread if you want and explain your opinion for the ease of access for others who view it.

Maybe later, i'm on mobile right now. I will need to put scans and go into detail for this.
 
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