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Yhwach's speed and Key

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I think the key of Yhwach and the reasoning for his speed should be changed.

The reason for this change is as follows. Yhwach reacted to the Mimihagi from a short distance- however this feat is not enough to warrent the Sub Rel rating, but there is another reasonable explanation as to his Sub Rel speed.

http://www.**********.com/bleach/620/12

http://www.**********.com/bleach/620/13

Here Uryu notices Mimihagi about to do something, shown by the Black panel of blurred lines and appears to be in directly next to Yhwach. It moves it and attacks him. He even says "Reishi's right arm" while looking away from it. He knew that attack was coming. Reducing time needed to react a block a lot. Even if Yhwach cannot forsee what the Mimihagi does, it would have let off Reiatsu and maybe his Almighty could see the future of what Uryu would do (turning around and see the Mimihagi moving)- this a stretch.

Normally this sort of information would result in a Yhwach downgrade, but Yhwach then proceeds to take the Mimihagi's powers for his own. http://www.**********.com/bleach/620/14

Now, taking in the Mimihagi does boost his powers, just like it did with the Soul King later. The right arm had to power to move it's own body stretching out at Sub Rel speed to the Palace. And earlier in the series, Aushwahlen has the elite Sternritter revive by moving around "Power" and the suddenly the Elites who got speedblitz were not doing the same, easily outmatching the Royal Guard in speed and such.

I think this is reasonable as the power transfer is thus far consistent with ichigo's speed in Shikai (Since he only kept up barely with Yhwach pre Mimihagi) and with Ichibei, who is MHS+ and kept up with Pre Mimihagi Yhwach.

Regarding the "True power" part of the key, Yhwach's Almighty doesn't increase his speed at all, there is no evidence and that's an assumption. it does increase his reaction speed through precog. Mimihagi absorption gives legitimate reason for the speed upgrade and also provides consistency as I mentioned before.

This then leads to scaling the Elites to Ichigo for MHS+ around Mach 3500.

With this, his speed would go Massively Hypersonic+ (At least in quadruple digits, faster than Ichibei), likely higher | Massively Hypersonic+ | Sub-Relativistic (Aborbed the Mimihagi- who performed a Sub Relativistic feat) | Unknow

'Key: 'Base | True Power | With Mimihagi Absorbed | With Soul King completely absorbed
 
How is in "Base" faster than Ichibe? When Ichibe dominates him almost all the fight.
 
Massively Hypersonic+ (Faster than bambifodder), likely higher | Massively Hypersonic+ (dominated Ichibei) | Sub-Relativistic (Absorbed the Mimihagi, who performed a Sub Relativistic feat) | Unknow

So is that your suggestion Kami?
 
Alakabamm said:
Massively Hypersonic+ (Faster than bambifodder), likely higher | Massively Hypersonic+ (dominated Ichibei) | Sub-Relativistic (Absorbed the Mimihagi, who performed a Sub Relativistic feat) | Unknow
So is that your suggestion Kami?

This
 
Alakabamm said:
Massively Hypersonic+ (Faster than bambifodder), likely higher | Massively Hypersonic+ (dominated Ichibei) | Sub-Relativistic (Absorbed the Mimihagi, who performed a Sub Relativistic feat) | UnknowSo is that your suggestion Kami?
Massively Hypersonic+ (Way faster than any other Sternritter, also, could face Ichibe but for not too long) | Massively Hypersonic+ (Superior than Ichibe) | Sub-Relativistic (Absorbed the Mimihagi, who performed a Sub Relativistic feat) | Unknow.

I prefer this one.
 
Personally, I don't see why He can't just be power-scaled to MImihagi, i'd imagine it means all-round inferiority, not just physical strength.
 
If you guys don't agree with powerscaling to mimihagi i'd put Yhwach's Almighty form as at least MHS+, he still casually reacted to mimihagi at a very close range.
 
if we're going to put Almighty Yhwach at " At least MHS+" the description of that should note the Mimihagi Reaction.
 
LordAizenSama said:
if we're going to put Almighty Yhwach at " At least MHS+" the description of that should note the Mimihagi Reaction.
I hope i'm not to late. Like i explain to Quincy Emperor on which he agreed on, Bleach Speed scaling page:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/258388

Almighty Yhwach shouls be "At least MHS+ with Sub-Relativistic reactions"

Yhwach said that both Mimihaig and the Soul King can see the Future. Yhwach with Almighty is MHS+ with Sub-Relativistic reactions, after absorbing Mimihagi like he stated, he takes his power becoming fully sub-relativistic.

Yhwach grab and react it to Mimihagi's speed before absorbing it. His future sight doesn't work on it, so you cannot use that.

Either Ichigo also sub-relativistic (which i doubt) or should Almighty Yhwach be MHS+ in speed and combat, with Sub-relativistic reactions?

Mimihagi also blocked an attend to be grabbed by Yhwach:

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i3/img/bleach/617/bleach-5518609.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i1/img/bleach/617/bleach-5518611.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i8/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529911.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i8/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529913.jpg

http://www.mangafreak.eu/scans/i2/img/bleach/618/bleach-5529915.jpg

This only applies to Almighty Yhwach by the way. (Yhwach/Mimihagi absorb and Yhwach/Soul King absorb are different tiers)

This how i think it should be:

Yhwach base is MHS+ (scale to Ichibei)

Yhwach Almighty is MHS+ with Sub-relativistic reactions

Yhwach with Mimihagi absorb is Sub-relativistic

Yhwah with Soul King absorb is Unknown

This is Yhwach's look after absorbing Mimihagi:

http://www.mangafreak.eu/read/bleach/620/16

And he replicated Mimihagi's Speed with an unknown attack, opening route for the overcharge power of the Soul King, it was also at the same speed and to trap Soul Society, in some kind of veil:

http://www.mangafreak.eu/read/bleach/620/17

Here Mimihagi get's absorb from Urahara's point of view in Soul society, even if they were talking and fighting in the soul palace, the 20 minutes timeframe is to much from Urahara's point of view, it happens in two pages:

http://www.mangafreak.eu/read/bleach/621/2

Next page Yhwach's/Mimihagi attack reaches Soul Society:

http://www.mangafreak.eu/read/bleach/621/3

Yhwach look after becoming Soul King:

http://www.mangafreak.eu/read/bleach/626/10
 
KamiYasha said:
Massively Hypersonic+ (Way faster than any other Sternritter, also, could face Ichibe but for not too long) | Massively Hypersonic+ (Superior than Ichibe) | Sub-Relativistic (Absorbed the Mimihagi, who performed a Sub Relativistic feat) | Unknow.
this is the most reasonable and incidently what i thought his rating already was...
 
Looks like the speed thing is resolved. If we are gonna go by 4 keys what happenes to AP and durability of Mimihagi absorbed Yhwach. (At least 6-A?).
 
Also about the durability (after SK absorbed) instead of stating as "Higher" is it not safer if we say "Unknown, likely higher".
 
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