Bill vs Ultimecia

[PaChi2]

"Finally a match he can win"

Duh.

Bill Cipher vs Ultimecia

SBA

Speed yada



When we say extreme makeover, we usually don't mean this.


The Dorito god

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Bill via non corporal and reality warping

 

[PaChi2]

Dorito: 1

Dorito eater: 0

 

[Akreious]

Stomp because of Non Corporeal.

 

[PaChi2]

>Stomp because of Non Corporeal.

Never heard of that.

You might as well consider a stomp a match where one cannot overcome the other's regen. lol

 

[Akreious]

In the case of a match where one character literally CANNOT win, it's a stomp. In other matches, Incaps and stuff like that works. Goku's MO is CQC, which doesn't affect Bill.

 

[PaChi2]

In the case of a match where one character literally CANNOT win, it's a stomp. In other matches, Incaps and stuff like that works. Goku's MO is CQC, which doesn't affect Bill.

Hmmm... no?

When literally the only thing that gives Bill the win is Non corporeality its not a stomp?

 

[PaChi2]

Accelerator vs Kratos was fair even if Accel couldnt win. Lol.

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Correct if I'm wrong, but didn't Bill gain a physical body during Weirdmaggedon? Or was he still non corperal, or am I just missing something?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Goku May or may not be able to hurt Bill, though I'm pretty sure he can, and non-corporeality is only pre-Weirdmageddon. But even with certainty that Goku can...

>Goku gets the first hit.

>Goku severely damages whatever part of Bill he hits

>Goku doesn't cause enough substantial damage due to Bill's size and Bill regenerates

>Bill is pissed

>Bill turns Goku into Gompers the goat

And that's giving Goku the first hit.

Small tangent from Cal
Seriously though, Bill doesn't underestimate people as much as we make believe. Through 90% of Gravity Falls, Bill could rarely even touch anyone, and even then used hax on people. Only times he could were in Stanley's mind (the first time), where he was fighting 'kids' and was still just testing them, and when he was in Dipper's body and was powerless. During Weirdmageddon, Bill all but won, so he could afford to screw around. He also knew the power of everyone in Gravity Falls. They were literally less than nothing to him in power. He didn't screw around when he blew apart the one person he viewed as some sort of threat. Heck, he probably used hax more times than not in Weirdmageddon. The times I can remember when he didn't was against the Shacktron, which was immune to anything Bill could do, hax or otherwise. If you're going to say "but Bill still attempted to punch the Shacktron!", it's pretty clear Bill was humoring the resistance until sh*t got real. And of course, there's his chase with Dipper and Mabel. Even here, it's not as much PIS as we claim, because once again, they're kids. Kids that Bill wanted alive at that. Remember that Bill needed the kids as they were for leverage with Stanford. And Bill was still opposed by people who he knew could irritate him at best, and used up all their options for victory unless Bill made himself vulnerable (which Bill had to do anyway to rule the universe).

Bill's nowhere near as much of a jobber as we make him out to be. I probably sound like a hypocrite though, from past threads. The masses blinded me.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Pretty sure this is a mismatch. Honestly our standards of what is a stomp needs to be fixed even moreso, otherwise people will continue to find loopholes in order to add matches to files.

 

[Schnee_One]

Hmmm... no?

When literally the only thing that gives Bill the win is Non corporeality its not a stomp?

<This character literally cannot in any way shape or form kill or harm or effect his opponent

<Not a stomp

We have SERIOUSLY failed at determining stomps.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

When one cannot kill the opponent or incapacitate them under any circumstances, that match is a stomp. There is a reason why Dark Area Digimon are never used in most lower tiered fights. There is a reason why I am not out spamming Vajramon or Indramon matches this very moment.

 

[Theglassman12]

This is a stomp. Goku cannot do anything to Bill at all.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Seriously, between the time of Bill breaking the rift and saying AXOLOTL backwards, he:

• Possessed Morty...I mean Blendin Blanden
• Trapped Mabel in a normally inescapable pocket reality
• Manipulated the intro (useless here, but still a showing of reality warping)
• Turned Stanford into gold
• Turned Preston Northwest's face into something out of The Thing
• Petrified countless people with his eye-bats
• Made many more insane
• Nuked Time Baby and his army
• Repetrified one-eyed Susan when she slipped out of petrification
• Made Gideon unable to do anything but dance for eternity
• Manipulated space, matter, and time to show off to Stanford
• Attempted to mindscrew Stanford, only failing because the latter took measures against it
• Still tortured Stanford without using physical force
• Spammed duplication when fighting Shacktron, and remember he can't do anything to any part of it besides the legs
• Turned everyone involved in the ritual into banners that weren't the Pines
• Entered Stanley's mind after shaking his hand (could've done it at any time, but switcheroo)

Doesn't use hax my left nut.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Cal This Bill tangent nor your left nut have nothing to do with the issue at hand...

 

[Schnee_One]

>Stomp because of Non Corporeal.

Never heard of that.

Lolwut?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bill's not non-corporeal during the time he's tier 2, so Goku can indeed hurt him. Heck, Goku could probably one-shot him if he hits Bill in the right spot or lands a large enough beam attack. Still, I needed to get that out. Plus, I started this after my message before that, and everyone ninja'd me.

 

[Schnee_One]

BTW how fast is Bill?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Bill's profile need a few of these "|"....

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Bill's not non-corporeal during the time he's tier 2, so Goku can indeed hurt him. Heck, Goku could probably one-shot him if he hits Bill in the right spot or lands a large enough beam attack. Still, I needed to get that out. Plus, I started this after my message before that, and everyone ninja'd me.

I thought so, might vote inconclusive because of Bills behavior. I really don't know..., and I certainly don't think it's a stomp.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You probably didn't read everything else I wrote then. If that sounded mean, I'm terribly sorry, and it wasn't my intent. Point stands tho.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

BTW how fast is Bill?

I actually don't know. Unlike the hax, I can't justify his speed showings. He's shown going FTL, but that was in a mental sequence. Said mental sequence was a showing of what Bill would do if Stanford helped him leave Gravity Falls. But it also had a cosmic sized Stanford. But making Stanford that big isn't entirely out of Bill's possibility.

He's rated unknown for a reason.

 

[PaChi2]

>Stomp.

SCP-1440 vs Medaka

SCP-682 vs freaking Goku Black.

Or the above SCP vs Kharn.

We need to clarify what's a stomp better.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

If the opponent could not kill said character or incapacitate them, then they should be removed. Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

[PaChi2]

Oh, dont mind this thread. Im not saying this isnt one-sided (though I didnt know Bill couldnt be harm by normal means).

 

[PaChi2]

Well, if Goku is not good, Beerus should do.

Changing this to Beerus.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Please no. I am not in the mood for Cal's "Anti-Hakai" tangent. How about a non Dragon Ball character?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I mean, even with Hakai...

 

[PaChi2]

Erm. Okay, no probs. Lemme think.

Im quite rusty.

I got an idea.

 

[The_Everlasting]

...Why not make a new thread?

Now this thread is just weird and awkward.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No, Beerus is a good match. Bill is 100% someone who Beerus would use Hakai on. I only make my anti-Hakai argument when Beerus's opponent isn't a threat to the universe. I'd be daft if I said Bill wasn't.

Plus, I want to be able to say that the match is Bill vs Bills ovo.

 

[PaChi2]

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