Bill Cipher tier upgrade 2A possibly High 1C

[GracePresence]

Sorry for the confusion earlier.

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

I don't see where 2-B is coming from. It's either Low 2-C or 2-A, there's no real middle ground here.

 

[GracePresence]

I was just guessing.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Tier 1 is a clear No

Tier 2-A is vague and on top of that we dont even know if he could snap all of it at once

"But he is a thread to the multiverse"

Yes, cus he can destroy universes

Is the same thing as buu
"He is a thread to the universe"

Yet he cant destroy it at once, only lil by lil

I say bill is the same case

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

Uh, how can you destroy infinite universes by destroying one at a time? That doesn't make any sense.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Uh, how can you destroy infinite universes by destroying one at a time? That doesn't make any sense.

And I did not say he can destroy infinite multiverse

Only that he can keep destroying universes 1 by 1 and therefore a threat

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

Ok, he can't destroy them all, then why would he be a threat in the first place?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Ok, he can't destroy them all, then why would he be a threat in the first place?

Idk about u but if there is a creature that can live forever and destroy universes most would consider such a creature a thread

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

I wouldn't consider him a threat. He can destroy all the universes he wants, but if he can't blow em up all at once, he's not a threat.

Unless he can duplicate himself infinitely and send the duplicants to other worlds or has Infinite/Immeasurable speed

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

I don't think there's a right answer for that part of the debate. Both are correct from a subjective standpoint, but we should be arguing this based on how Stanford would likely postulate the idea. He is the one who made the statement in the first place, after all.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

There was also something about how If he keep messing with reality there would be a chain reaction or something like that wasn't there?

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

2-A via chain reaction, At least Low 2-C possibly 2-A, 2-A outright, I don't care which tbh.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The proof for Both 2-A and High 1-C is bad

 

[Thelastmlg]

Also it can't be 2-B because it is proven to be outright infinite so.

I think we should just assume the statement is a hyperbole, there is a difference between being a threat to the lifes in the multiverse and being s threat to the multiverse it.

Either we don't use it or it is 2-A.

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

Also it can't be 2-B because it is proven to be outright infinite so.

I think we should just assume the statement is a hyperbole, there is a difference between being a threat to the lifes in the multiverse and being s threat to the multiverse it.

Either we don't use it or it is 2-A.

The statement would never be hyperbole. They are statements in a wider encyclopedia about Bill's power by Stanford, not just exaggerated nonsense. The debate lies in the interpretation of what's said, saying it's an either/or situation is a false dilemma.

 

[InfiniteDay]

Destroying one universe at a time is Low 2-C, him being a "threat to the multiverse" and the multiverse being infinite universal means he could have a potentially 2-A key because you can destroy and infinite amount of universe 1 at a time, you either can threaten the infinite universes at once or you aren't a threat at all to the multiverse, just a threat to universes.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

I dont see 2-A bill

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

Destroying one universe at a time is Low 2-C, him being a "threat to the multiverse" and the multiverse being infinite universal means he could have a potentially 2-A key because you can destroy and infinite amount of universe 1 at a time, you either can threaten the infinite universes at once or you aren't a threat at all to the multiverse, just a threat to universes.

Not necessarily advocating for the Anti-2-A side, but you'd still be a threat to the multiverse if you're a threat to the things that make it up by technicality. It's not really as simple as that.

 

[InfiniteDay]

But still, infinite amount of worlds, means that no matter how much he destroys there would still be a infinite amount left over, and basically he would have done nothing to be a threat to the multiverse, for him to truly be a "threat" he would need to be able to affect those infinite universes.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

But still, infinite amount of worlds, means that no matter how much he destroys there would still be a infinite amount left over, and basically he would have done nothing to be a threat to the multiverse, for him to truly be a "threat" he would need to be able to affect those infinite universes.

Which he has never shown to be

 

[Thelastmlg]

Which in turn puts the statement into question.

 

[InfiniteDay]

Which is the reason why it is a statement.

 

[Atador]

2A arguements:
Bill is stated to be a threat to the Multiverse

BillIMGUR
Gravity Falls is stated to have an infinite number of parallel universes

Bill 4-D?


High 1C arguement:

The Trillazzxx Beta aliens were stated to occupy 7-11 dimensions at once (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/characterrealms/images/f/f0/Scan_(5).png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20180214205841), this is supported by them making an adhesive that could patch holes in the space time continuum,Stanford (It might've been his brother)

VIGNETTE.WIKIA.NOCOOKIE.NET




Stated that ONLY the Trillazzxx beta aliens could do it, meaning that not even the Time Baby could do it, and the Time Baby governs over all of space time over the infinite multiverse. Meaning that the Trillazzxx Beta Aliens surpassed the Time Baby, meaning that 7-11 dimensions isn't too far fetched.

yes this is perfect. must be accepted

 

[Sniper670]

I can't believe people can outdo my Necro feats so casually