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[LostLightt]

The visions are shown to still be working, it's just he's not reacting to them quickly enough. Resistance is the act of stopping the visions entirely, such as not appearing in them or nullifying them. This just seems like speed.

Resistance is not defined as that on the page made by vsbw

Resistance is the power to withstand the effects of certain abilities through varying means.

Is he withstanding the effect? Yeah, so he'd be resistant, or at least possibly resistant.

Mikey isn't massively superior to Takemichi at the start of the fight, Takemichi is winning until Mikey starts to adapt and become resistant (withstanding) the effect of precognition on his fight.

You don't get resistance to enhanced senses just for hitting someone who has them.

Sure, but Hanma being unable to be hit directly by any hits. It kinda implies he'd be resistant to anpr, in a way too, since being unable to be hit by direct hits kinda negates anpr. Lmk what u think.

These links don't show analytical prediction.

Same as above.

"I can easily read your moves"

That's what they classify as anpr on the wiki.

Sounds like berserk mode.

Sure but ur assuming that because hes enraged that he's not acting instinctively.

Sounds like durability.

Kakucho has paralysis inducement (he paralysed angry and chifuyu) and punches Mikey who has been damaged by hits from people comp to Kakucho in the past, like when the dude went up against Hanma. So if Mikey takes Kakucho's hits, of which have paralysis factors, that affect people somewhat comp to Mikey in the past. Then Mikey has resisted a paralysis inducing punch. Kakucho is also one of the only blokes in the series who consistently trains to get stronger, so I doubt it's just durability.

Statement could have implied something but he's talking about how it doesn't hurt him and likening him to a ghost for that. This seems like durability.

Mikey's been hurt by people comp to Kakucho in the past. Kakucho's hits should have hurt Mikey, but they didn't, so it's resistance to his punches. He's withstanding the ability of paralysis inducement.

These sound like feats of force as much as precision. Superhuman precision generally refers to the act of being far more precise and accurate than a human can possibly be. I'm uncertain about these ones.

I prviously said that a human cannot hit another human in a joint and break it because it'd require immense precision. Human punches are stronger than the strength of a joint, but ur not gonna see someone dislocate someones bones from their joints with a kick or punch, despite being able to.

And Idk why you didn't agree with the kid mikey one. Can u clarify?

 

[LostLightt]

If someone who has precognition were to fight Mikey, they might win initially but as the fight goes on Mikey's adaptation to the ability limits the abilities strength against him. That's why he'd be resistant.

 

[LostLightt]

Also with the anpr I provided more reasons behind it, as well as paralysis inducement.

Mikey bullet to the temple non paralysed.
Mikey metal pipe to the temple non paralysed.

Superior to Baji who is superior to Ryusei in skill. Ryusei is an anpr goon (seen in the op).
Can tag hanma who has enhanced vision.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Why r u trying to argue with someone whos read the manga like 3 times.

Mikey was in DI:

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The author has a brutal scene where Mikey punches Kazutora’s face while they are on the ground, but he chose a lighter scene after Baji’s death to represent the Dark Impulse. This somewhat implies that he only enters this mode after Baji’s death.

 

[FinePoint]

Have any conclusions been reached here so far?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Have any conclusions been reached here so far?

Mikey isn't resisting anything.

The Instinctive Action is actually Berserk Mode.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

 

[LostLightt]

Have any conclusions been reached here so far?

Nah.

Mikey isn't resisting anything.

The Instinctive Action is actually Berserk Mode.

How's that a conclusion mate. No one came to that other than u

 

[Demon_Lord18]

How's that a conclusion mate. No one came to that other than u

He also

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Mikey ability additions: I'm in the UK so I can't see these scans, but I know they entail what I've typed since I've read the manga. So if ur gonna debate a specific scan, link it on ts site: https://postimages.org/ Resistance to Precognition: Despite big fat Takemichi having Precognition...

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[LostLightt]

He also

Big fat Mikey crt

Mikey ability additions: I'm in the UK so I can't see these scans, but I know they entail what I've typed since I've read the manga. So if ur gonna debate a specific scan, link it on ts site: https://postimages.org/ Resistance to Precognition: Despite big fat Takemichi having Precognition...

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He hasn't responded to me

 

[LostLightt]

It's okay just let finepoint look at the crt when he got time and verify it

 

[DaReaperMan]

He hasn't responded to me

Mods can just not respond to you if it's the same point worded different.

"**** you" and "Screw you" are two different ways of saying the same thing, and most debates are settled in 10 back and forth posts or less until it's repeating points worded different.

 

[LostLightt]

Mods can just not respond to you if it's the same point worded different.

I told him the context bhind the scenes

 

[LostLightt]

he said he didn't know what the anpr was

 

[DavidTPPM]

Fun fact, by not replying to my comment you made it so I didn't get a notification for your reply?

Yo are u serious rn?

Yes.

Ur literally implying a car hitting u is the same as a human punch hitting u.

No, quite literally the opposite. I'm saying that despite a car having absolutely none of the precision of a human it can still achieve dislocations through sheer force.

Kakucho's hits cause paralysis to Angry who is a high tier.

So?

U've also ignored the supporting feats I gave

I didn't.

Also I never said to scrap the delusional thing, I'm saying it's not applicable to this thread in any way.

No, it's absolutely applicable because our interpretations have to be consistent with each other.
If you say Izana was going crazy that nerfs things that require mental focus like predictions.
If you say Izana wasn't going crazy that nerfs his speed because it means he considered bullet speed attacks as viable against Mikey.

Orange line (85 pixels) Mikey's face. Lets assume its 25 cm long.

Distance from the kick = 43 pixels = 12.6 cm moved.

Blue line = 129 pixels which is like 10 cm which is how wide shoes are.

Mikey's eye height = 2.7 cm at most or 51 pixels.

Distance from the shoe = 54 pixels

Panel height =239 pixels (purple line)

Angsizing = 2.7 * 239/[51*2*tan(70deg/2)] = 9 cm
Angsizing = 10 * 239/[129*2*tan(70deg/2)] = 13.2 cm
Distance between them = 4.2 cm

Distance Mikey moved = 2.8 cm.

No offense but that's genuinely horrendous pixel scaling.
The lines are off, the yellow being inside of the shoe for example.
The angsizing is completely unnecessary and just overcomplicates the method by using a less accurate method.

And even then you yourself said the distance Mikey was away from the kick is over 10cm and the distance he was away from kick was less than 3cm. It's painfully clear even to the naked eye that Mikey moved way more than Izana despite starting to move later.

Then if you wanna calculate how much Izana's leg moved in the last panel u'd use angle math, and you'd prolly get like 1 meter.

Izana moving after Mikey already dodged out of the way of the kick is irrelevant because Mikey has no reason to keep moving after he's already avoided the attack.

Mikey also has supporting feats for anpr as listed in the op.

The only other potential supportive feat you list is straight up just blitzing a person with good senses which doesn't help whatsoever.

So if Mikey didn't outspeed Izana how is he blatantly beating him, it's obv via skill, Izana's punches miss and he counters them. Same as the kicks.

Mikey did outspeed Izana and pretty blatantly at that.
And not just here. The entire fight is like that.
Mikey dodges so fast Izana only notices it after the fact, and Mikey lands a punch before Izana can even pull his fist back.

Unless Izana is laughably bad at h2h combat and decided to just leave himself open this is a blatant blitz.
This is also pretty blatant. Izana doesn't show any attempt at actually moving away from the blow or at blocking it.

And probably the funniest of all

Literally just a completely ordinary straight punch in the face and yet Izana didn't even show an attempt at avoiding it.

Not a single sign of Izana trying acting on some prediction of Mikeys moves, not a single sign of Mikey throwing any feints, not a single sign of Izana struggling to predict Mikey.

Idk about their second fight but this specific fight does not suggest anything about resistance to analytical prediction

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Mikey bullet to the temple non paralysed.

I didn’t understand your point, but Mikey was paralyzed forever after that shot.

Mikey metal pipe to the temple non paralysed.

What exactly does that have to do with it?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

he said he didn't know what the anpr was

Where exactly did he say that?

 

[LostLightt]

Fun fact, by not replying to my comment you made it so I didn't get a notification for your reply?

Everyone gets an email from threads unless u turned it off.

No, quite literally the opposite. I'm saying that despite a car having absolutely none of the precision of a human it can still achieve dislocations through sheer force.

nd I'm saying that doesn't change anything cause a car targets a larger surface area than a human does, making the attacks much more likely to dislocate a bone. Also ur saying "force" as if that matters, when South is literally comparable to Mikey in strength and dura, so Mikey's kicks should logically not be able to tag souths bones from their joints. So ur wrong either way

No, it's absolutely applicable because our interpretations have to be consistent with each other.
If you say Izana was going crazy that nerfs things that require mental focus like predictions.
If you say Izana wasn't going crazy that nerfs his speed because it means he considered bullet speed attacks as viable against Mikey.

No it's not applicable cause izana was only delusional after he was already being beaten to hell

No offense but that's genuinely horrendous pixel scaling.

Wht

The lines are off, the yellow being inside of the shoe for example.

Yeah thats on purpose mate, thats how angles work mate. Ur not gonna see me pixel scale to the edge of the shoe when thats not where it would be when it's touch his face

The angsizing is completely unnecessary and just overcomplicates the method by using a less accurate method.

Ur method is assumptions

And even then you yourself said the distance Mikey was away from the kick is over 10cm and the distance he was away from kick was less than 3cm. It's painfully clear even to the naked eye that Mikey moved way more than Izana despite starting to move later.

I quite literally prved u wrong and ur still denying it bro.

Izana moving after Mikey already dodged out of the way of the kick is irrelevant because Mikey has no reason to keep moving after he's already avoided the attack.

Well then u'd use the 2.8 cm line between him and the shoe which still leads to my conclusion thats why I came to 2 conclusions in that one post for u, u ignored them

The only other potential supportive feat you list is straight up just blitzing a person with good senses which doesn't help whatsoever.

Hanmas senses are so good he wont be hit by any direct punches.

Mikey dodges so fast Izana only notices it after the fact, and Mikey lands a punch before Izana can even pull his fist back.

Pulling ur fist back is much slower then punching, ur point makes no sense

Unless Izana is laughably bad at h2h combat and decided to just leave himself open this is a blatant blitz.

U dont move ur hand back within the timeframe of someone punchin, thats impossible.

This is also pretty blatant. Izana doesn't show any attempt at actually moving away from the blow or at blocking it.

This one is pretty blatant that the above one wasnt no blitz since he says "?"

and probably the funniest of all

Literally just a completely ordinary straight punch in the face and yet Izana didn't even show an attempt at avoiding it.

He was punching and Mikey knew how to counter, thats a counter not a blitz, Izana's punch finished, ur contradicting ur main points

Not a single sign of Izana trying acting on some prediction of Mikeys moves, not a single sign of Mikey throwing any feints, not a single sign of Izana struggling to predict Mikey.

Nun of the things u said r true

Idk about their second fight but this specific fight does not suggest anything about resistance to analytical prediction

Yh and their second fight is more blatant that they're comp so, ur not gonna disagree if ur basing it off of one fight alone

 

[LostLightt]

I didn’t understand your point, but Mikey was paralyzed forever after that shot.

thats not stated anywhere what the hell mate, he died, he was still talking, he wasn't paralysed, u can die and not be paralysed

What exactly does that have to do with it?

A pipe to the temple is paralysing or killing any normal human

 

[LostLightt]

Where exactly did he say that?

he said he dont see the anpr in any scans

 

[Demon_Lord18]

he said he dont see the anpr in any scans

This means that he doesn’t think it is, not that he doesn’t know what it is.

 

[LostLightt]

This means that he doesn’t think it is, not that he doesn’t know what it is.

if u think reading someones moves aint anpr then that prolly means you didn't see where the scan states that, since thats basic anpr

 

[LostLightt]

my crt is pretty basic.

withstanding precognition = resistance according to the definition of vsbw
tanking paralysis inducement hits from high tiers, not being paralysed immediately by a gun shot to the head, and a metal pipe to the head = resistance to paralysis
being superior to people with anpr in skill displayed twice with Izana and Ryusei, as well as hitting someone who cannot be hit by direct punches = resistance to anpr
Dislocating bones at their joints of someone whos comp to u = superhuman precision since its done with kicks and punches and thats impossible without dumb luck
kicking a sealed cider cap off at 4 while standing on one leg = superhuman rprecision cause hes 4 and ur learning basic motor functions at that age, and ur also balancing on one leg
IA cause u dont know up from down and left from right when fighting in a amp
genius martial arts upgrade cause the skill

 

[Demon_Lord18]

thats not stated anywhere what the hell mate, he died, he was still talking, he wasn't paralysed, u can die and not be paralysed

You don’t follow a logical line of reasoning. You indirectly just said that Kakucho doesn’t have paralysis inducements, since Chifuyu is able to speak.

A pipe to the temple is paralysing or killing any normal human

Should we provide resistance to paralysis induction for this man? This is just Mikey’s durability, it has nothing to do with resistances.

 

[LostLightt]

You don’t follow a logical line of reasoning. You indirectly just said that Kakucho doesn’t have paralysis inducements, since Chifuyu is able to speak.

Ts a strawman mate, paralysis via a punch and a gunshot to the head are two different things. Causing paralysis can be to speech, or body, or other things, mikeys shot to the head and its backed up by two other feats

Should we provide resistance to paralysis induction for this man? This is just Mikey’s durability, it has nothing to do with resistances.

I dont understand spanish mate

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Ts a strawman mate, paralysis via a punch and a gunshot to the head are two different things. Causing paralysis can be to speach, or body, or other things, mikeys shot to the head and its backed up by two other feats

Let’s break down your arguments and how inconsistent they are.

Mikey gets shot in the head, doesn’t move any part of his body, but can speak = he wasn’t paralyzed

Chifuyu gets punched, doesn’t move his body, but can speak = he was paralyzed
What is the logic behind your argument?

I dont understand spanish mate

The language spoken in the video is irrelevant, and it’s not Spanish.

I disagree with the topic and I’m going to unfollow, since I don’t see anything new.

 

[LostLightt]

Let’s break down your arguments and how inconsistent they are.

Repeat that

Mikey gets shot in the head, doesn’t move any part of his body, but can speak = he wasn’t paralyzed

Yeah

Chifuyu gets punched, doesn’t move his body, but can speak = he was paralyzed

Yeah

What is the logic behind your argument?

Speaking and movement in paralysis dont coincide mate, you can speak and be paralysed and not move ur body, the same goes as speaking and not moving ur body

The language spoken in the video is irrelevant, and it’s not Spanish.

You showed me a one hour video mate what do you want me to do with that

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Speaking and movement in paralysis dont coincide mate, you can speak and be paralysed and not move ur body, the same goes as speaking and not moving ur body

Mikey doesn't move, he only talks. I wonder which manga you're reading.

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You showed me a one hour video mate what do you want me to do with that

The video is literally 57 seconds long, and I marked the important moment in the video.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Sorry for the retread, I'm being asked to re-evaluate my earlier vote.

The visions are shown to still be working, it's just he's not reacting to them quickly enough. Resistance is the act of stopping the visions entirely, such as not appearing in them or nullifying them. This just seems like speed.

I stand by this assessment.

You don't get resistance to enhanced senses just for hitting someone who has them.

And this one.

These links don't show analytical prediction.

First link must not have worked for me before. Reading moves does imply analytical prediction. It isn't automatically resistance to them to beat someone who has them though. Sufficient speed and/or skill can allow you to win against the ability, you don't need to resist it.

Same as above.

It's still the case that beating enhanced senses isn't resistance to them.

Sounds like berserk mode.

Okay, being able to fight with decent accuracy might be a form of Instinctive Reaction. It seems it might be limited to this berserk mode, ironically, which has its limits.

Sounds like durability.

Statement could have implied something but he's talking about how it doesn't hurt him and likening him to a ghost for that. This seems like durability.

These two still seem like durability, and adding the stuff about bullets and pipes only makes it seem more like stamina and durability.

Skill feats are fine.

Yep, skill feats still seem fine.

These sound like feats of force as much as precision. Superhuman precision generally refers to the act of being far more precise and accurate than a human can possibly be. I'm uncertain about these ones.

Still uncertain on these, due to the feats demonstrating precision and the standard for Superhuman precision being a little looser than many abilities.

 

[LostLightt]

I stand by this assessment.

Aight after rereading the fight theres some more evidence he resisted precog

As soon as Mikey fully gave in to his DI, everyone around him who knew Takemichi could predict the future said it was a curse that was unbeatable even for someone with future sight. So it being unbeatable combined with his battle ad means hes resisting it 100 percent

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Oh and Takemichi said he could see into the future so he'll beat Mikey and was confident about it but still lost cause Mikey's resistant to precog as he develops:

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And this one.

Aight

First link must not have worked for me before. Reading moves does imply analytical prediction. It isn't automatically resistance to them to beat someone who has them though.

He didn't only beat Izana, he's more skilled than him, or comp to him. Mikey is the most skilled char in the verse.

Sufficient speed and/or skill can allow you to win against the ability, you don't need to resist it.

Resisting anpr is outskilling it. Cause ur withstanding someones ability to predict you by outskilling them.

It's still the case that beating enhanced senses isn't resistance to them.

Aight

Okay, being able to fight with decent accuracy might be a form of Instinctive Reaction. It seems it might be limited to this berserk mode, ironically, which has its limits.

Aight.

These two still seem like durability, and adding the stuff about bullets and pipes only makes it seem more like stamina and durability.

The main issue is da fact that the people who cant paralyse him can hurt him.

Yep, skill feats still seem fine.

Aight bet

 

[Random-Helper323]

Aight after rereading the fight theres some more evidence he resisted precog

As soon as Mikey fully gave in to his DI, everyone around him who knew Takemichi could predict the future said it was a curse that was unbeatable even for someone with future sight. So it being unbeatable combined with his battle ad means hes resisting it 100 percent

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Oh and Takemichi said he could see into the future so he'll beat Mikey and was confident about it but still lost cause Mikey's resistant to precog as he develops:

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This isn't resistance. It's superiority.

He didn't only beat Izana, he's more skilled than him, or comp to him. Mikey is the most skilled char in the verse.
Resisting anpr is outskilling it. Cause ur withstanding someones ability to predict you by outskilling them.

That isn't resistance. It's still possible to beat someone with that ability through superiority.

The main issue is da fact that the people who cant paralyse him can hurt him.

That's still normal stuff. A character who can't move anymore after being hurt, while a stronger character can withstand the same hits.

 

[LostLightt]

This isn't resistance. It's superiority.

Takemichi is comp to Mikey he landed several hits on him

That isn't resistance. It's still possible to beat someone with that ability through superiority.

Mikey and Izana are comp, its shown in their second fight as well. Mikey just outskills. He's the most skilled in the verse

That's still normal stuff. A character who can't move anymore after being hurt, while a stronger character can withstand the same hits.

But Kakucho can hurt people comparable to Mikey in ap and dura and Angry can too, so, when u think about it Kakucho can hurt Mikey, he just cant paralyse him cause of his resistance.

 

[LostLightt]

Bump

 

[LostLightt]

Ay whats this mean can u verify the crt or nah, why you face palming my crt

 

[LostLightt]

That's not negating it, it's outpacing Takemichi's ability to use that information.

did u check out the crt yet fully, I can add context behind some scenes too and additions.

Like mikey wasn't paralysed by a gun shot to the head
not paralysed by repeated blows to the temple by someone who could damage him

was equal to izana in their second fight
Outskills chars who have anpr other than izana

Aight after rereading the fight theres some more evidence he resisted precog

As soon as Mikey fully gave in to his DI, everyone around him who knew Takemichi could predict the future said it was a curse that was unbeatable even for someone with future sight. So it being unbeatable combined with his battle ad means hes resisting it 100 percent

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Oh and Takemichi said he could see into the future so he'll beat Mikey and was confident about it but still lost cause Mikey's resistant to precog as he develops:

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Aight

He didn't only beat Izana, he's more skilled than him, or comp to him. Mikey is the most skilled char in the verse.

Resisting anpr is outskilling it. Cause ur withstanding someones ability to predict you by outskilling them.

Aight

Aight.

The main issue is da fact that the people who cant paralyse him can hurt him.

Aight bet

theres this too

 

[DavidTPPM]

Everyone gets an email from threads unless u turned it off.

Of course I turned it off lmao, I don't think there's anyone who has that on willingly.

And I'm not following the thread so even if I didn't turn it off I wouldn't be getting notifications for it.

nd I'm saying that doesn't change anything cause a car targets a larger surface area than a human does, making the attacks much more likely to dislocate a bone.

If higher surface = higher chance to dislocate a bone then you don't need superhuman precision to dislocate a bone.

You're arguing that for a car dislocation is a feat that requires no precision but somehow also that doing the same for Mikey requires superhuman precision? That's self-contradictory.

Also ur saying "force" as if that matters, when South is literally comparable to Mikey in strength and dura, so Mikey's kicks should logically not be able to tag souths bones from their joints. So ur wrong either way

Doesn't really matter.

No it's not applicable cause izana was only delusional after he was already being beaten to hell

So like, after the first punch

Yeah thats on purpose mate, thats how angles work mate. Ur not gonna see me pixel scale to the edge of the shoe when thats not where it would be when it's touch his face

You have absolutely no idea what part of the shoe would first hit Mikey it if were to land, so the standard procedure is to use the closest point, not a random point inside the shoe.
This is pretty blatantly done to inflate the distance between them and now you're trying to backpedal on it because you got caught.

Ur method is assumptions

My method is called using your eyes because the distance difference is so insanely obvious. I don't need to pixel scaling to prove 10 centimeters is more than 3 centimeters.

I quite literally prved u wrong and ur still denying it bro.

Saying you proved me wrong doesn't make it true.

Well then u'd use the 2.8 cm line between him and the shoe which still leads to my conclusion thats why I came to 2 conclusions in that one post for u, u ignored them

Your own measurements show the distance between Mikeys face and the kick in the second panel is over 10 centimeters (like 13 iirc)
10 > 2.8

That's why you're trying to force angsizing to a scene where angsizing does absolutely nothing but lower the accuracy due to being the more inaccurate form of measurements.

Hanmas senses are so good he wont be hit by any direct punches.

I'm not going to go in circles with you over the same things over and over again. You don't need to resist enhanced senses to hit someone with enhanced senses.

Pulling ur fist back is much slower then punching, ur point makes no sense

No it's not. Especially not to the point Izanas arm basically gets statued while extended

U dont move ur hand back within the timeframe of someone punchin, thats impossible.

Do you think pulling your fist back is 10x slower than extending it? Because that's not true whatsoever. It's the same move using basically the same muscles just in reverse.

It's why you don't see people grabbing the opponents hand after a dodged punch in MMA often.

This one is pretty blatant that the above one wasnt no blitz since he says "?"

Huh? He recognizes an attack is going towards him and fails to put his guard up or even try dodging whatever.

Either he's VERY bad at fighting and just didn't know what to do against a basic punch, or he got blitzed.

He was punching and Mikey knew how to counter,

Mikey's "counter" is literally just a completely straight punch in the face. If Mikey didn't blitz Izana here they should have punched each other at the same time as Mikey's attack doesn't move out of the way of Izanas attack or block/redirect it in any way whatsoever.

thats a counter not a blitz, Izana's punch finished, ur contradicting ur main points

Yeah it finished, AFTER Mikey's own punch was already long over.

Nun of the things u said r true

Great counter argument.
Can you actually prove those things then?

Yh and their second fight is more blatant that they're comp so, ur not gonna disagree if ur basing it off of one fight alone

I already told you, I have no idea about the context of the second fight nor do I care. Your argument for Mikey "resisting" Izanas anapr is from the first fight and in that fight they're clearly not relative.

For all I know Izana could have gotten stronger or Mikey could have held back. Hell idek if the fight is canon. I have no reason to take the fight into account

 

[LostLightt]

If higher surface = higher chance to dislocate a bone then you don't need superhuman precision to dislocate a bone.

That's not how that works.

Also the force of a car is distributed over a longer period then a punch. Contact time is a massive bonus. A car keeps pushing into the body, a punch doesn't. Unless Mikey's running with his fist in their face.

You're arguing that for a car dislocation is a feat that requires no precision but somehow also that doing the same for Mikey requires superhuman precision? That's self-contradictory.

Never said that

Doesn't really matter.

Yeah... It matters a lot. Your argument contradicts itself when they're comparable because a car breaking a human bone is because it's KE is 100x higher than a humans punch. That's like saying Mikey's 100x stronger than south.

So like, after the first punch

No, after several punches and kicks.

You have absolutely no idea what part of the shoe would first hit Mikey it if were to land, so the standard procedure is to use the closest point, not a random point inside the shoe.
This is pretty blatantly done to inflate the distance between them and now you're trying to backpedal on it because you got caught.

Ur accusing me of using basic logic to scale a feat. Even if we used ur distance it still proves my point.

My method is called using your eyes because the distance difference is so insanely obvious. I don't need to pixel scaling to prove 10 centimeters is more than 3 centimeters.

Holy incredulity

Your own measurements show the distance between Mikeys face and the kick in the second panel is over 10 centimeters (like 13 iirc)
10 > 2.8

Re read it please. Izana's leg has moved over a meter when Mikey's moved 10 cm.

That's why you're trying to force angsizing to a scene where angsizing does absolutely nothing but lower the accuracy due to being the more inaccurate form of measurements.

Ur trying to force incredulity.

No it's not. Especially not to the point Izanas arm basically gets statued while extended

Yes it is. Ur point is contradicted when in the next similar panel, Izana does a full punch whilst Mikey punches him at the same time

Do you think pulling your fist back is 10x slower than extending it? Because that's not true whatsoever. It's the same move using basically the same muscles just in reverse.

I never said that, I said it's massively slower, and it's also the fact that Mikey has to move much less distance

Huh? He recognizes an attack is going towards him and fails to put his guard up or even try dodging whatever.

Either he's VERY bad at fighting and just didn't know what to do against a basic punch, or he got blitzed.

Ur assuming he didn't his arms moved up, he turned 90 degrees, ect. Stop lying

Mikey's "counter" is literally just a completely straight punch in the face. If Mikey didn't blitz Izana here they should have punched each other at the same time as Mikey's attack doesn't move out of the way of Izanas attack or block/redirect it in any way whatsoever.

He clearly dodged if Izana's full punch was complete.

Great counter argument.
Can you actually prove those things then?

They're not true, my counter arguments were stated.

I already told you, I have no idea about the context of the second fight nor do I care. Your argument for Mikey "resisting" Izanas anapr is from the first fight and in that fight they're clearly not relative.

For all I know Izana could have gotten stronger or Mikey could have held back. Hell idek if the fight is canon. I have no reason to take the fight into account

Why would Izana lose the ability, that makes no sense. The fight is the final canon chapter, u have to take it into account

 

[LostLightt]

Incredulity, non understanding of physics, strawman, stonewall, inconsistency, etc

It's over

 

[LostLightt]

Btw when the shoe comes closer to the pov it becomes bigger, so ur still wrong

 

[LostLightt]

Honestly no offense to you, but Idk what ur trying to argue for, only points I think r valid r the enhanced vision ones