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These need to be changed to Standard Melee Range, and the references section is supposed to go below Others and above Discussions, looks good otherwise
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Bellamy needs Limited Elasticity.
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What is with this justification?
The "!" reaction in One Piece doesn't mean that someone caught someone else off-guard. It's always used as a basic reactionary indication shown here, here, and here. This is also debunked with Luffy easily dodging and being portrayed as vastly superior to Bellamy that entire mini-arc.
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Yeah, these ratings are a "nope".
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my logic with him somewhat scaling to Sanji is that when he blocked the hit he did it with a counter kick, which I doubt he had any reason to hold back with which didn’t just fully shove away his arm.And before you try and say that the particles the flew off Sanji were blood, it's clearly not. It's just debris.
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Further more he did it while he was in a pretty poor condition
Also as for speed idk, I just kept the old justification around lol
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The scan in the draft for him seemingly matching Sanji, a bit below the part you posted.
At least to me it looked like a counter kick
There’s the anime version where they do trade a few blows it seems:
Tbf that’s not the same as holding back but point taken
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In the anime version, it added a ton of kicks that were not in the manga, and the only time we see Sanji in the same position he was in the manga, it's him blocking Cricket, not Cricket stopping a kick from following through.
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Nothing works best.
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Filler content is filler content.
If Sanji took no damage from this dude's attack, the dude doesn't scale to Sanji in any way, and Sanji casually blocking is a feat for Sanji, not for the dude. It is as simple as that.
Don't scale them.
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Not sure about unknown, he could possibly scale to luffy and zoro via harming them kinda
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Actually nevermind... Very different in the manga 
but maybe? Idk
but maybe? Idk
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Also the tabber says this
And the image tabber say this
But question why have the - involved?
And the image tabber say this
But question why have the - involved?
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That's generally how it is written.
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Mmm, I see
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This is definitely scalable
Sanji is literally shaking and sweating from the blows
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He took no damage. He wasn't shaking from the blows at all what are you talking about?
This is definitely scalable
Sanji is literally shaking and sweating from the blows
All he would scale is speed. Not AP at all as he couldn't even harm Sanji when given a direct shot.
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Broo there is literally shaking lines... That happens when they aren't holding back and are stiffening their body from the pressure of the attack
Here they clash and only Vista is shaking, signifying superiority (Since Mihawk wasn't effected at all while Vista was)
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"Shaking" is not a solid basis for scaling at all.Broo there is literally shaking lines... That happens when they aren't holding back and are stiffening their body from the pressure of the attack
Here they clash and only Vista is shaking, signifying superiority (Since Mihawk wasn't effected at all while Vista was)
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Definitely is... How is someone shaking and sweating from a blow not scalable at all? Like wtf?
Sure they can be inferior but if they are shaking and even sweating from a blow they are literally relative in strength...
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Sanji was not sweating from the blow? He wasn't shaking either. He blocked. That's what happens when you block/stop the momentum of an attack as shown here.
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Then what's this?
It's literally blatant shaking lines
Shaking from fear
Shaking from old age
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Honestly, if you need to go as far as to appeal to how lines are drawn on a character to consider the hypothesis of scaling, maybe they shouldn't scale at all.
Given Sanji was underestimating his opponent, and how a direct blow wasn't capable of causing any damage, saying Cricket has enough AP to scale to Sanji's durability for shaking from the impact seems incongruent. Bellamy, however, has harmed Zoro, no?
Given Sanji was underestimating his opponent, and how a direct blow wasn't capable of causing any damage, saying Cricket has enough AP to scale to Sanji's durability for shaking from the impact seems incongruent. Bellamy, however, has harmed Zoro, no?
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Zoro literally saying sanji was underestimating him even supports him scaling and that sanji should be more serious against him
Going to translate some stuff for Bellamy tho
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You ignored the logical issues brought forth by me. A direct physical hit could not harm Sanji. That is a fact.
Zoro literally saying sanji was underestimating him even supports him scaling and that sanji should be more serious against him
Also the guy was sick as well
Going to translate some stuff for Bellamy tho
Sanji holding back significantly against Cricket also discredits the weak argument about "shaking", too.
Zoro only stated that after Cricket pulled a gun on Sanji. It did not refer to his physical ability - proven to be ineffective already - at all.
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That is not a fact at all.... Not bleeding doesn't mean he wasn't harmed, holy your making me mad
He was sweating, he was shaking and was worried about the strike
No statements about holding back...
Bro what?
Hes said him... Not about his gun
You're providing more headcanon in this one comment more then this whole thread...
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Get as mad as you wish. Your point is foul here.That is not a fact at all.... Not bleeding doesn't mean he wasn't harmed, holy your making me mad
He was sweating, he was shaking and was worried about the strike
No statements about holding back...
Bro what?
Hes said him... Not about his gun
You're providing more headcanon in this one comment more then this whole thread...
You use very obscure details as tactics to argue your point. If Oda wanted to represent Sanji being harmed, he would have simply done it via a grunt of pain or bleeding, that's the only way damage is portrayed, ever.
Taking a hit, and not reacting in pain or paying it any attention is a very clear showcase of the character not suffering any harm. Don't try to pull hypothesis out of your brain, just accept what's shown to us.
Sweating or being worried can be attributed to other factors other than just the strength of your opponent. Getting caught off guard by a fight you didn't even want to take part in is certainly a reason to sweat. Surprise also causes sweat, Monkey.
Needless to say, but the only way to underestimate your opponent that's apparent to Zoro was if Sanji was holding back his strength.
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