Battle for Dream Island: Stretching Further Beyond (Figuratively & Literally)

[Psychomaster35]

Never thought I'd be going back to this topic, but I'll just get straight to the point, especially since this is a good time to bring something up that I forgot to propose in my last.CRT for BFDI.

3-B Objects Are (Possibly) Real

Yeah, while I was applying the revisions for an accepted CRT, I was told that the 4-A end of the Have Nots rotating Earth assuming a universe-sized underworld was inside of the Earth's core was actually invalid due the universe inside of the core moving at FTL speeds from the inside. On the bright side, however, it has been brought up to me that since the universe in question is being moved at FTL speeds, it should logically be 3-A in the same manner of how we treat FTL solar systems being 4-B and FTL galaxies being 3-C, though for some reason the page doesn't list a universe being moved at FTL speeds being 3-A, unless there's a reason to that.

That being said, should the high end of the Have Nots' Earth rotation feat now become 3-A, all of its members involved would scale to a fifth of that output due to 5 of them doing the feat, AKA 3-B (5.65e91 joules) backscaling 5 times from baseline 3-A.

Object Elasticity Upgrade

This one should be simple (Not to mention I forgot to mention this in the last CRT). Currently, we have objects scaling to "Thousands of Kilometers, possibly Interplanetary" with their elasticity. However, thanks to these two calcs, every object now has their elasticity range upgraded solidly to Interplanetary.

 

[SeijiSetto]

the only thing i have to say is that not the entire universe would be moving at FTL speeds
because it's rotating, there's a portion of it that is moving at sub-light speeds
i'd imagine that disqualifies it from being 3-A because it's not the entire thing but i don't know

 

[Psychomaster35]

So what you're suggesting is that this should actually be 3-B instead since the entire universe mass is not being moved?

Also, since you're here, can you evaluate the 2nd elasticity calc? It's a supporting feat for lifting strength and elasticity range.

 

[Psychomaster35]

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[James_Plays_4_Games]

I agree with the revision proposals.

[…] though for some reason the page doesn't list a universe being moved at FTL speeds being 3-A, unless there's a reason to that.

As far as I'm aware, it's just because the universe isn't a celestial body, so it wouldn't coincide with the Celestial Body Feats page's title. The logic still tracks, since significantly affecting a universe is that strong, and I doubt a character can physically do that without faster than light movement due to how big the universe is.

So what you're suggesting is that this should actually be 3-B instead since the entire universe mass is not being moved?

If we're allowed to write it as Multi-Galaxy level+, this would probably be one of those times. As SeijiSetto wrote in the other thread...

But within that universe (i.e. everything that actually contributes to its mass), anything further ~282,000km from the center would be moving at SoL or higher velocities, which is what makes it incalculable.

...Meaning the feat involved moving an entire universe faster than light except for 282,000 kilometers of it. The kilometers excluded is just the same as the diameter of Saturn and its rings.

 

[Psychomaster35]

If we're allowed to write it as Multi-Galaxy level+, this would probably be one of those times. As SeijiSetto wrote in the other thread...
...Meaning the feat involved moving an entire universe faster than light except for 282,000 kilometers of it. The kilometers excluded is just the same as the diameter of Saturn and its rings.

I've never seen such a thing like that to get accepted to be baseline+, but I'm still waiting for Setto on his opinion on how the rating should be.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I've never seen such a thing like that to get accepted to be baseline+, but I'm still waiting for Setto on his opinion on how the rating should be.

I mean, using the logic of the Celestial Body Feats page, we would first reach baseline Universe level for the characters, and then subtracting the 282,000 kilometers from it would result in the stats being really deep into Multi-Galaxy level. But, of course, I'm also waiting for SeijiSetto to verify, since I'm not sure if I'm right.

 

[Psychomaster35]

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@SeijiSetto I still need an answer, but take your time.

So what you're suggesting is that this should actually be 3-B instead since the entire universe mass is not being moved?

Also, since you're here, can you evaluate the 2nd elasticity calc? It's a supporting feat for lifting strength and elasticity range.

 

[Psychomaster35]

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[SeijiSetto]

So what you're suggesting is that this should actually be 3-B instead since the entire universe mass is not being moved?

probably
could just multiply the number of galaxies being moved FTL (i.e. every single one) by baseline 3-C, we've done similar stuff before

 

[Psychomaster35]

could just multiply the number of galaxies being moved FTL (i.e. every single one) by baseline 3-C, we've done similar stuff before

We never actually see any galaxies in the underworld, only a very small portion of its universe-sized inside. Is it fine to just call it baseline 3-B?

 

[Psychomaster35]

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[SeijiSetto]

We never actually see any galaxies in the underworld, only a very small portion of its universe-sized inside. Is it fine to just call it baseline 3-B?

you're assuming it's a universe, no?
i'm pretty sure we typically assume those are full of stars and galaxies and the like? but i do not know

 

[Soupywolf5]

I think the page doesn't say anything about moving a universe at FTL speeds being 3-A since, unlike moving stars or galaxies, moving an entire universe (As in a physical 3-A universe rather than an entire Low 2-C space-time continuum) isn't something that really happens too much

Anyways, I agree with the feat, and for the rating, while some of the universe would indeed be moving at sub-light speed, said portion is such a small fraction of the universe that I think any difference between the feat & 3-A would be negligible (Seiji calculated the sub-light portion as having a radius of ~282,000 kilometers in the thread linked in the OP, which is an insanely low 2.3*10^-57% of the universe, and when taken out of the center of the real observable universe would be the Earth and nothing else, not even the Earth and the Moon, just the Earth)

 

[Psychomaster35]

you're assuming it's a universe, no?
i'm pretty sure we typically assume those are full of stars and galaxies and the like? but i do not know

It is confirmed to be a universe, but what I'm saying is that we don't see much of the underworld outside of a small bit of it (Not even a sky), which is why I'm asking you how the rating should be handled if it can't be 3-A and we don't see much of the underworld.

 

[Psychomaster35]

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[SeijiSetto]

It is confirmed to be a universe, but what I'm saying is that we don't see much of the underworld outside of a small bit of it (Not even a sky), which is why I'm asking you how the rating should be handled if it can't be 3-A and we don't see much of the underworld.

I Do Not Know. i'm not the sole arbiter of stuff like this, i have no clue. why not go ask other staff to have a look at this thread and see what they think?