[Battle for Dream Island] Universe in Planet?

[SeijiSetto]

so, this calc, specifically the 2nd one about rotating the planet.
it supposes that, due to an underworld existing when one goes down in the planet's core in the BFDI universe, the planet just has an entire universe in it, and thus is the mass of one (1) whole universe + Earth.
if an entire universe is contained within the earth's core, rotating it would mean parts of it - a large majority of its mass - would be spinning at FTL speeds, making this incalculable and unable to be used for KE (and in turn LS).
the way i see it, it's either that:
1. the universe physically resides inside the planet's core (via spatial fuckery or what-have-you) and thus - the way it's calculated anyway - past a certain distance from the center, things are moving FTL and thus it becomes incalculable
2. the planet's core is essentially a portal to some spatially separate universe and thus Earth has a normal mass.

 

[SeijiSetto]

@Psychomaster35 it's your calc
and some other random CGMs
@DMUA @Armorchompy @CloverDragon03 @Dalesean027

 

[Dalesean027]

okay so the calc is basically invalid here then or are you just proposing that
1. they either get the rating for FTL KE for the universe
or
2. propose we just use the regular 5-C value for earths rotations divide it by 5 for each goon involved

 

[SeijiSetto]

okay so the calc is basically invalid here then

that's what i'm saying yes
psychomaster's already calced a version of it with regular earth mass so i'm basically saying the universe-mass version should get tossed out

 

[Dalesean027]

that's what i'm saying yes
psychomaster's already calced a version of it with regular earth mass so i'm basically saying the universe-mass version should get tossed out

Gotcha then yeah that's fine

 

[Psychomaster35]

When I calculated that feat, I was already aware of the unusual circumstances beforehand about how a universe-sized underworld could fit inside a regular-sized Earth due to not much context being said in the series aside from the fact that the underworld is accessed by digging down to the core, hence why I got it accepted as a "possibly" rating.

Given how the possibly rating stems from the assumption that the underworld is inside the Earth's core due to spatial abnormalities, I would've seen it as something as "viewing a whole universe as the size of a planet core when outside of it," hence why I believed it's fine.

Do you have any issues with the first feat (Donut moving the Earth assuming the Earth is the mass of a universe) as well?

 

[SeijiSetto]

When I calculated that feat, I was already aware of the unusual circumstances beforehand about how a universe-sized underworld could fit inside a regular-sized Earth due to not much context being said in the series aside from the fact that the underworld is accessed by digging down to the core, hence why I got it accepted as a "possibly" rating.
Given how the possibly rating stems from the assumption that the underworld is inside the Earth's core due to spatial abnormalities, I would've seen it as something as "viewing a whole universe as the size of a planet core when outside of it," hence why I believed it's fine.

But within that universe (i.e. everything that actually contributes to its mass), anything further ~282,000km from the center would be moving at SoL or higher velocities, which is what makes it incalculable.
I haven't watched the series but if the underworld is accessed by digging down to the core I'd probably just assume it functions like a portal to said alternate universe rather than assuming it's fully contained within the planet itself.

Do you have any issues with the first feat (Donut moving the Earth assuming the Earth is the mass of a universe) as well?

Under the assumption that the universe is physically contained within the planet, no. That one's fine, it's a linear motion at Mach ~2120 which is decidedly below lightspeed.

 

[SeijiSetto]

actually i've just remembered

quoting:

More often than not this involves moving stars at faster than light speeds. Since Kinetic energy of faster than light objects can not be quantified by the use of real life physics, those feats are ranked as following:

• If one planet or multiple planets or stars are moved the equivalent Attack Potency is the sum of their GBE. Per default it is assumed that only the stars themselves are moved whenever stars are moved in the night sky to form constellations. Usually Stars can be considered to be like our sun and planets to be like earth, as long as no better guess is possible.
• If a whole Solar System is moved at FTL speed, the feat will be ranked as Solar System level.
• If multiple Solar Systems are moved at FTL speed, the feat will be ranked as Multi-Solar System level.
• If a whole Galaxy is moved at FTL speed, the feat will be ranked as Galaxy level.
• If multiple Galaxies are moved at FTL speed, the feat will be ranked as Multi-Galaxy level.

so this is just considered baseline 3-B rather than being calculable. by that same metric i'd imagine it also gets Multi-Galactic LS but that's not explicitly written there, so.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Bump.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

actually i've just remembered

quoting:

so this is just considered baseline 3-B rather than being calculable. by that same metric i'd imagine it also gets Multi-Galactic LS but that's not explicitly written there, so.

So, does this mean Psychomaster35 has to re-do the blog post and content revision? (I'm a knowledgeable member of BFDI, so that's why I suddenly appeared here.)

 

[SeijiSetto]

So, does this mean Psychomaster35 has to re-do the blog post and content revision? (I'm a knowledgeable member of BFDI, so that's why I suddenly appeared here.)

not redo the blog because, as i said, it's incalculable to begin with
but he'd have to make another CRT to change the possibly ratings to 3-B and Multi-Galactic, yes

 

[Psychomaster35]

so this is just considered baseline 3-B rather than being calculable. by that same metric i'd imagine it also gets Multi-Galactic LS but that's not explicitly written there, so.

Why isn't moving a universe at FTL speeds Universe level by the logic that FTL Galaxies are 3-C and multiple FTL Galaxies are 3-B? Also, I'm pretty sure the force for moving the entire mass can just be considered as its regular weight, just like the manner of how we treat planets being moved at FTL speeds being their GBE.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Why isn't moving a universe at FTL speeds Universe level by the logic that FTL Galaxies are 3-C and multiple FTL Galaxies are 3-B?

probably can be! it's just not explicitly written there, so. i'd personally make a thread just to get that explicitly added to the page for future reference, should be minor.

Also, I'm pretty sure the force for moving the entire mass can just be considered as its regular weight, just like the manner of how we treat planets being moved at FTL speeds being their GBE.

that's basically what i'm saying, yes, i think that logic makes sense. if you're moving a planet or whatever at FTL speeds, it's not calculable but it would naturally take at LEAST the planet's mass in terms of force, for example.

 

[SeijiSetto]

to add, it's not the entire universe - like I said, a good portion of it IS moving at FTL speeds but not all of it. dunno how we treat that. hence why i advised making a thread.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Yesterday, I finished writing a content revision proposal based on this matter. Before I post it, I want to let the main two participants of this thread know that I intend to directly mention how you two came up with most of the ideas, because I wouldn't have thought of the revision without having seen the discussion here. If you don't want me to present your ideas before you're ready, today is the time to tell me.

i'd personally make a thread just to get that explicitly added to the page for future reference, should be minor.

Keep in mind that a universe is not a celestial body, so adding a bullet point about this matter to the Celestial Body Feats page in the same way the other bullet points are wouldn't be suitable. I recommend that you instead propose to add a note to the Celestial Body Feats page stating that the logic from it isn't exclusive to celestial bodies.

 

[Psychomaster35]

I haven't had the time to make the follow up CRT due to college and other personal stuff, but I have no objections.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Actually, if I were to make a CRT to change the higher rating to 3-B, I would’ve also included something that I forgot to add on my original higher into 4-A upgrade, and I want to have that organized.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Actually, if I were to make a CRT to change the higher rating to 3-B, I would’ve also included something that I forgot to add on my original higher into 4-A upgrade, and I want to have that organized.

Okay. In that case, I think it would be better if you make the content revision thread, and I will help you by sending you what I already prepared as a profile post for you to use. This way, you will only need to rephrase most of the ideas rather than come up with the phrasing in the first place, which should decrease how much time you're taken away from priorities. If this doesn't work for you, I suppose I could try adding the extra information you forgot in the original upgrade if you tell me.

I thought the tier change was going to be to tier 3-A, by the way. I hope we can try it.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Made the CRT