Battle for Dream Island: It's About Time

[Psychomaster35]

So TPOT 15 just came out, and it just gave some promising bits to cover, so as a way to start off my first CRT of 2025, lets just cut to the chase as shift right over to the upgrades. And before anyone asks about other ability additions, I will eventually cover them later, just not for this thread.

One With Infinity (2-C Upgrade)

Perhaps the main course everyone's interested to see since many are talking about it. Basically, One used her power to restore the timeline instantly with a casual leg kick which was going to collapse via an expanding tear in space-time had it not been stopped. Right off the bat, this is 4-D in terms of power due to the rift affecting both the past and the present, and while you think it's just the universe being restored, it's more than that. You see, the universe houses an underworld inside of Earth's core which is confirmed to be an alternate universe in BFDIA 9's description. In other words, the cosmology of this single timeline is 2 universes, which One was able to repair with ease, thereby making her 2-C.

As far as how scaling goes, One implies in TPOT 13 that she isn't any stronger in power than Two, and we already accept the fact that Two can't be stronger than Four in power. Combined with how casual One's feat was (Especially since this was instant), as well as the fact that Two and Four can withstand attacks from each other, there's no doubt that Two and Four obviously scale to this (In physical power), and by proxy, the contestants via having multiple occasions of being able to take hits from the Four and even being able to physically harm Two and Four (Even if it means downscaling from them). Additionally, Two uses their full power to punch away a block they had created which withstood their attack, the same type of block that Needle was able to utilize Saw's body to cut through with the latter being able to withstand it.

BFDI Mini (And Total Firey Island) Is Canon

Initially, we believed that BFDI Mini wasn't canon due to the lack of references to it in the main series which was why we only scaled the contestants of that series to things they did in it... until now. Lo and behold, the BFDI Mini contestants can straight up trade blows with the members of CloudYAY pretty evenly, so this is pretty straightforward to upgrade the BFDI Mini characters (Selfie Dog and A Duck) to have the stats of the mainline contestants. As a bonus, the Total Firey Island comics from 2008 also got confirmed to be canon to the main series, but there isn't anything noteworthy from those comics to add.

We Can Screw Up The Canon, Too! (Yoylite Optional Equipment Addition)

Everyone who's currently remaining as of TPOT 15 should have access to Yoylite (Book, Bottle, Donut, Fanny, Golf Ball, Grassy, Ice Cube, Liy, Marker, Pen, Pencil, Pillow, Pin, Price Tag, Snowball, Tennis Ball, Tree, Winner, and Yellow Face [Black Hole and TV don't get it since neither of the 2 have used it at any point in the episode]). Anyone who has it will gain access to Time Travel via being able to utilize it to travel through time, as well as gaining weaknesses that misusing the Yoylite can lead the users to accidentally sending themselves back in time without any point of return, and that messing with the past too much can lead to the timeline collapsing (Which, as said earlier in the 2-C upgrade section, is 2-C).

 

[Dereck03]

One With Infinity (2-C Upgrade)

I could find 2-C tier valid based on the arguments.

BFDI Mini (And Total Firey Island) Is Canon

I can't say much about canon as I'm not familiar with the series, but I agree to treat it canon based on the arguments.

We Can Screw Up The Canon, Too! (Yoylite Optional Equipment Addition)

Fine.

 

[Axorandom0]

I’m pretty sure TFI does allow for a different way to height scale (since a 10 foot drop is shown in 34:23), though BFDI isn’t very consistent with its heights anyways. Kinda makes me wonder why this wiki has settled on Lewis for the height scales tho.

 

[Psychomaster35]

I’m pretty sure TFI does allow for a different way to height scale (since a 10 foot drop is shown in 34:23), though BFDI isn’t very consistent with its heights anyways. Kinda makes me wonder why this wiki has settled on Lewis for the height scales tho.

Admittedly, those comics were made 2 years before BFDI was a thing, and a lot has changed since then to the point where those heights have been retconned. For the Lewis height scaling, it's the first time we actually get a stated height in the show (And not a BTS video).

 

[Axorandom0]

Admittedly, those comics were made 2 years before BFDI was a thing, and a lot has changed since then to the point where those heights have been retconned. For the Lewis height scaling, it's the first time we actually get a stated height in the show (And not a BTS video).

I don’t know what BTS stands for here, and I think Lewis may have been the first stated height for a character, but in BFDI 14 we also get Announcer dropping his marbles into a stated 10 foot deep vat of acid (6:50 of BFDI 14). But, this series is random with the heights anyways, so I guess it doesn’t matter too much.

 

[Psychomaster35]

I don’t know what BTS stands for here

Behind the scenes (As in, any videos made by Cary on his carykh and Humany channels)

in BFDI 14 we also get Announcer dropping his marbles into a stated 10 foot deep vat of acid (6:50 of BFDI 14)

That height is either retconned or just drawn inconsistently, especially since the creators at that time were kids.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Combined with how casual One's feat was (Especially since this was instant), as well as the fact that Two and Four can withstand attacks from each other, there's no doubt that Two and Four obviously scale to this (In physical power), and by proxy, the contestants via having multiple occasions of being able to take hits from the Four and even being able to physically harm Two and Four (Even if it means downscaling from them).

I believe the justification is incorrect, but the conclusion can be viable, as per what I wrote about the matter in the Object Show General Discussion Thread. I hope you're willing to alter your revision proposal's justification a bit.

I could find 2-C tier valid based on the arguments.

What about the scaling? The method in the original post is questionable to me...

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I almost forgot...

Perhaps the main course everyone's interested to see since many are talking about it. Basically, One used her power to restore the timeline instantly with a casual leg kick which was going to collapse via an expanding tear in space-time had it not been stopped. Right off the bat, this is 4-D in terms of power due to the rift affecting both the past and the present, and while you think it's just the universe being restored, it's more than that. You see, the universe houses an underworld inside of Earth's core which is confirmed to be an alternate universe in BFDIA 9's description. In other words, the cosmology of this single timeline is 2 universes, which One was able to repair with ease, thereby making her 2-C.

• One's restoration feat is Low Multiverse level via the specific ability to do so. The gesture with her foot was as in a snap of a finger to activate a superpower or magical effect, in this case being a rumble and flash of light that fixed everything non-physically from One. The feat was nothing like sending a physical shockwave across universes via sheer strength from a kick. This is an important specification to make.
• I think the existence of Yellow Face's Ad Dimension makes the value 3 universes instead of 2.

I agree with everything in this thread I haven't addressed so far, by the way.

 

[Monsters_fight]

I agree with the Thread starter

 

[Psychomaster35]

One's restoration feat is Low Multiverse level via the specific ability to do so. The gesture with her foot was as in a snap of a finger to activate a superpower or magical effect, in this case being a rumble and flash of light that fixed everything non-physically from One. The feat was nothing like sending a physical shockwave across universes via sheer strength from a kick. This is an important specification to make.

Sure

I think the existence of Yellow Face's Ad Dimension makes the value 3 universes instead of 2.

I've been rewatching TPOT 7, 12, and 13 (All of the appearances of the Ad Dimension) including all of Cary's reaction videos, but nothing really says the Ad Dimension is a universe. Without any statement like that, at best you can argue the dimension to be the size of the planet or even just Goiky itself, but nothing larger than that.

For what you brought up in the other thread:

After reading these again, I think I worked out a way to salvage your revision proposal. In its original form, the unnecessary wrong parts were distracting me from the merit in it I could've realized. Try this, not directly in the profiles but as a justification in general: "One is weaker than Two, but One performed a Low Multiverse level feat casually, whereas Two used their power in the strength test carnival game in a way that made them sweat, implying the blocks Two can generate have Low Multiverse level durability. Contestants are comparable to Needle and Saw, who can cut these blocks." I would only agree to this being a "possibly" rating because the idea that the mundane items are so tough is more absurd than the idea that Two was pretending the be tired just to be humble. Such a rating is kind of consistent with how "possibly Universe level" was recently accepted for the strength of the contestants, though.

Yeah, that justification sounds better. Though I disagree with this being a "possibly" rating as Two was the one who made these blocks and it's clear even his implied full power couldn't destroy one, not to mention that as per Newton's 3rd Law, they're withstanding the force of their own attack which means it scales to their durability (The contestants are able to harm them). It should just be straight up a full 2-C rating.

• All we know is that One did a gesture with her foot that caused the timeline to be restored off-screen with a rumble and flash of light. The idea that she used telekinesis in particular is a theory compared to deeming it a general Low Multiverse level restoration feat.
• The detail of a character having 4D strength without more information is unfortunately not enough to qualify for tier 2. It's a flaw in the Tiering System. Black Hole had to have closed the space-time rift when it was Low Multiverse level to qualify for a tier, which he seemed to be incapable of doing throughout the entire episode prior. Black Hole at his smallest size should be in a tier that doesn't exist yet between High Universe level and Universe level+.

I should note that telekinesis is connected to reality warping, so that's still a possibility

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I've been rewatching TPOT 7, 12, and 13 (All of the appearances of the Ad Dimension) including all of Cary's reaction videos, but nothing really says the Ad Dimension is a universe. Without any statement like that, at best you can argue the dimension to be the size of the planet or even just Goiky itself, but nothing larger than that.

I think of Yellow Face's Ad Dimension as either being a dimension of the universe (like how time is a dimension of the universe) or a parallel universe that counts as part of the timeline due to being closely tied to the main universe. The best I can argue is that its setting is implied to be practically identical to the main universe, thus being its entire own universe.

Yeah, that justification sounds better. Though I disagree with this being a "possibly" rating as Two was the one who made these blocks and it's clear even his implied full power couldn't destroy one, not to mention that as per Newton's 3rd Law, they're withstanding the force of their own attack which means it scales to their durability (The contestants are able to harm them). It should just be straight up a full 2-C rating.

Thanks for considering my idea. My reasoning for believing this to be a possibly rating is because of the high amount of suspension of disbelief it takes to conclude Two would intentionally make the blocks that durable and Two would get tired from a mere amusement park game. Other than that, I agree with the part about Two withstanding the force of their own attack, and the full rank fits into place adequately.

I should note that telekinesis is connected to reality warping, so that's still a possibility

Maybe. I just mean narrowing it down to telekinesis is arbitrary compared to narrowing it down to any other possible ability that could've been used, so I'm sticking with what I know by deeming the feat as a general timeline restoration feat.

 

[Theglassman12]

looks ok at a glance

 

[Gonzalo]

I agree

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

So, to clarify...

The contestants will receive the new tier as "at most" due to narratively being significantly weaker than what they scale to, One will receive the full rank for both her physical prowess and her hax that performed the feat in the first place, meanwhile Two and Four will physically get the full rank scaling above the contestants and One, on top of getting the tier as "at least" for their reality warping due to that being what lets them be able to "do anything" in a way the contestants must be vastly inferior to the totality of? This is the way I imagine it. Alternatively, Two and Four can get the tier as "at least" physically, and then have "far higher" for their reality warping. Which should we use?

 

[Psychomaster35]

I think of Yellow Face's Ad Dimension as either being a dimension of the universe (like how time is a dimension of the universe) or a parallel universe that counts as part of the timeline due to being closely tied to the main universe. The best I can argue is that its setting is implied to be practically identical to the main universe, thus being its entire own universe.

You need evidence to call it a universe or else we can't just assume it's one

The contestants will receive the new tier as "at most" due to narratively being significantly weaker than what they scale to, One will receive the full rank for both her physical prowess and her hax that performed the feat in the first place, meanwhile Two and Four will physically get the full rank scaling above the contestants and One, on top of getting the tier as "at least" for their reality warping due to that being what lets them be able to "do anything" in a way the contestants must be vastly inferior to the totality of? This is the way I imagine it. Alternatively, Two and Four can get the tier as "at least" physically, and then have "far higher" for their reality warping. Which should we use?

Honestly they're just pretty flat out that "At least" and "At most" ratings are unnecessary, because no matter how many times they upscale or downscale from 2-C, they're still going to scale to the same amount of universes. As for ratings via budget cuts, since we already accept them to be 2-C through also scaling to 2 universes, we can just merge the justifications via budget cuts with their new flat ratings.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

You need evidence to call it a universe or else we can't just assume it's one

Maybe my idea is a bit vague, but it's not an pure assumption. Look, with the trees even being in the exact same spots, in the Ad Dimension, the grass is yellow and the trees are green, exactly like Goiky currently is, which was the result of Two making them those colors when Two restored the plant life back in TPOT 1. That means causes in the main universe leading to effects in the main universe also leads to effects in the Ad Dimension, implying they share the same time. I think the Ad Dimension is an identical copy of the main setting aside from being poorly drawn and containing products instead of characters. Of course, the similarities could be explained in other ways, but it's not unreasonable to consider it a possibility that the two worlds are near identical. I realized while writing this that the two worlds sharing the same time means the amount of space-time continuums doesn't increase to 3, so I'm wrong about that, but not necessarily about the size of Yellow Face's Ad Dimension.

Honestly they're just pretty flat out that "At least" and "At most" ratings are unnecessary, because no matter how many times they upscale or downscale from 2-C, they're still going to scale to the same amount of universes.

That is true. I meant implementing the "at most" and "at least" phrases as being indicative of the scaling, but it's fine if you want to implement it in the justifications instead.

As for ratings via budget cuts, since we already accept them to be 2-C through also scaling to 2 universes, we can just merge the justifications via budget cuts with their new flat ratings.

It's not sound to merge those together just because they have the same strength from destroying the same things. Even though characters will physically scale to 2 universes Low Multiverse level, it doesn't change how some have specific superpowers that directly let them have 2 universes Low Multiverse level effects that include actual destructive capacity / range on that scale, rather than just that value in attack potency. This is especially the case for budget cuts, since their effects are on the entire show, not just the main cosmology within the show, meaning budget cuts are slightly stronger, because "the show" encapsulates even One's realm that is independent from the two universes you mentioned. (It'd be wrong to argue One's realm exists outside of the show itself, as it's clearly depicted within TPOT episodes. Maybe it'd be less wrong to argue that One's acausal realm is except from budget cuts causing deterioration, but we haven't seen how the realm interacts with the plot destruction element, so we can't know for sure. Either way, the Low Multiverse level space-time rift wasn't going to directly destroy the plot of the show, so equating it to the Low Multiverse level budget cuts is still wrong.) The Announcer can directly deteriorate the entire show, One can directly restore a timeline, and Four and Two directly have the power to do anything which should include all of One's abilities, meanwhile the overall physical stats everyone will be scaled to is just attack potency, a damage value without the direct effects.

 

[Psychomaster35]

It's not sound to merge those together just because they have the same strength from destroying the same things. Even though characters will physically scale to 2 universes Low Multiverse level, it doesn't change how some have specific superpowers that directly let them have 2 universes Low Multiverse level effects that include actual destructive capacity / range on that scale, rather than just that value in attack potency. This is especially the case for budget cuts, since their effects are on the entire show, not just the main cosmology within the show, meaning budget cuts are slightly stronger, because "the show" encapsulates even One's realm that is independent from the two universes you mentioned. (It'd be wrong to argue One's realm exists outside of the show itself, as it's clearly depicted within TPOT episodes. Maybe it'd be less wrong to argue that One's acausal realm is except from budget cuts causing deterioration, but we haven't seen how the realm interacts with the plot destruction element, so we can't know for sure. Either way, the Low Multiverse level space-time rift wasn't going to directly destroy the plot of the show, so equating it to the Low Multiverse level budget cuts is still wrong.) The Announcer can directly deteriorate the entire show, One can directly restore a timeline, and Four and Two directly have the power to do anything which should include all of One's abilities, meanwhile the overall physical stats everyone will be scaled to is just attack potency, a damage value without the direct effects.

So what you're saying is that budget cuts should get a higher rating via affecting more pocket dimensions? I'm fine with it in that case.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Just so you know, it's been 2 days and there are already 3 staff approvals, so I'll go ahead and apply this.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

So what you're saying is that budget cuts should get a higher rating via affecting more pocket dimensions? I'm fine with it in that case.

Yup, that's basically what I mean. It's also to prevent diverse superpowers from blurring together just because they're similar in strength.