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Batman vs. Captain America

Batman of course, he's got an assload of gadgets while cap's only got a shield. Also Batman is leagues above cap in terms of skill.
 
Batman easily

cap has never shown much in the realms of "doing stuff with prep time". whereas Batman with prep is ridiculous.
 
Spite due to prep time. You are pitting a soldier who leads in battle against a strategist who builds countermeasures for countermeasures, in a fight with prep time.
 
Gemmysaur said:
Spite due to prep time. You are pitting a soldier who leads in battle against a strategist who builds countermeasures for countermeasures, in a fight with prep time.
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This
 
Without prep this would be pretty even, Cap and Bruce are pretty even as far as physicals go(Cap having a strength and endurance advantage but not by enough to call the fight in either way) and Bruce has an ok advantage in skill(again not enough to sway in eithers favor)

What gives Batman the win in my eyes is his versatility in methods of attack and defense. With prep Batman can stomp for reasons stated.
 
Going by these new rules I would argue that Cap is as fast as Bruce. Bruce Wayne current n52 has all of his n52 stories and all of his post crisis canon that doesn't contradict n52(which in turn kept all of his pre crisis stories that didn't contradict post crisis) as a 5 years of experience in his canon. That's roughly 15 years of stories at least overlapping in 5 years added on to his entire n52 run for feats and experience. I don't think we can actually use experience as a deciding factor here.

As far as the gadgets vs shield thing goes the shield is also Caps main form of ranged offense. If Bruce loses his first round of engagements against Steve in hand to hand(with the shield it's likely) he can and will create distance using a smoke grenade and possibly a flashbang for good measure to create distance and maybe get a few cheap hits in, those are things 616 Cap can't defend against at close range. From there Bruce will keep his distance and lob a variety of gases and explosives around Steve until Steve either throws his shield which would Give Bruce an opening for a kill or he just makes a mistake and opens himself up for some hurting as Batman repeats this strategy or adapts it according to Steve. Bruce would gain complete control of the battle whether he wins h2h or not.

Not to say it would be easy for him, but it's definitely in character and within his capabilities compared to Steve. Overall I think it's a 6/10 win for Bruce.
 
Steve has fought multplie people who ultilize gadgets like batman and are better hand to hand combants like Taskmaster (who can duplicate almost any martail art just by looking at it) and and the green goblin who has a sh** ton of gadgets, so fighting someone who is peak human and has a lot of gadgets would be a walk in the park for steve
 
Batman and Cap is a close match as it is. Giving them prep time is just giving Batman the win. In terms of physicality, Cap is better than Batman, but just barely. What takes it for Batman is superior intellect, training, and overall arsenal. It isn't like Green Arrow vs Hawkeye where they have a trick arrow for everything. Yes Cap's shield is insanely powerful, but Batman has enough equipment to get past that, and usually Cap doesn't bring too much else with him.

Don't get me wrong, this is an insanely close match, but if there's one wide gap that might determine it, it's arsenal.
 
Cap is superior in Battle experince and interlligence, All around physical strength, speed, endurance, and durabilty

Batman is Superior in Fightining Experince ,inelligence (barley) and arsenal

But, Cap has fought people who can literaly replicate any martail art and master it in short amount of time (Taskmaster and this guy )

Though i would like to point out the agruments on batman' side

The main agrument is that bat's would win via his aresenal, but according to this , this is all batman usualy uses, and cap has delt with multiple people who has the same equiment as batman

And also prep is offically not allowed in vs threads anymore due to this https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/235093
 
As explained above I believe Cap takes this. Physical Strength, Durability, Speed, Endurance, Battle experience goes to Cap while Batman could only possibly win with his gear and maybe intellegence but overall Cap would take it.
 
In a fight all of their experience(they both fight other super soldiers and h2h experts regularly), physicals, and tactics(Cap is betterat leading a team admittedly) ultimately even out. Bruce has just as many impressive speed feats as 616 cap from all the many comics i've read of both and both are peak human for their respective universes(which Marvel Humans have better strength and endurance feats while DC humans match them in speed, same goes for Bruce vs Steve).

The things tipping this in Batman's favor everso slightly are the Batsuit which puts Bruce on par with Cap in durability if not outright beating him in that category(the newer the suit the more damage it can absorb) and his variety of gadgets. No matter what iteration of the utility belt you give him Batman still has dozens of methods of attack and defense that can be used from more than one direction at a time if needed albeit with difficulty while Caps shield, as impressive as it is, can only block attacks from one direction and doesn't do much against gases which can be used to cloud Steve's senses.

Bruce wins 6/10 times with high difficulty.

If this was just h2h Steves better physicals eventually do more than Bruce's mastery of every single martial art in DC along with all of their secret attacks and defenses and he takes it 7/10. Since this is with standard equipment for each Bruce wins.
 
Wutsumattayu said:
In a fight all of their experience(they both fight other super soldiers and h2h experts regularly), physicals, and tactics(Cap is betterat leading a team admittedly) ultimately even out. Bruce has just as many impressive speed feats as 616 cap from all the many comics i've read of both and both are peak human for their respective universes(which Marvel Humans have better strength and endurance feats while DC humans match them in speed, same goes for Bruce vs Steve).
The things tipping this in Batman's favor everso slightly are the Batsuit which puts Bruce on par with Cap in durability if not outright beating him in that category(the newer the suit the more damage it can absorb) and his variety of gadgets. No matter what iteration of the utility belt you give him Batman still has dozens of methods of attack and defense that can be used from more than one direction at a time if needed albeit with difficulty while Caps shield, as impressive as it is, can only block attacks from one direction and doesn't do much against gases which can be used to cloud Steve's senses.

Bruce wins 6/10 times with high difficulty.

If this was just h2h Steves better physicals eventually do more than Bruce's mastery of every single martial art in DC along with all of their secret attacks and defenses and he takes it 7/10. Since this is with standard equipment for each Bruce wins.
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If cap can slice through a millitary grade tank, he should have no problem getting throught batman's armor. The only gadgets batman carries with him are in random one and one fight arethese (check under portable weapons) and what makes you think that any of batman's gases can affect's cap's senses? Cap senses has been enchanced to point were mere gases won't effect him at all.

And again, Cap has fought multiple people who have mastered every single martail art, like Task master and this guy

So i got Cap winning this 6/10
 
Cap without prep. Faster, stronger, more durable and his shield would take care of most of Bat's basic gadgets.

If we were to give Bats more offensive weaponry then I could see him taking it, but not his usual stuff.
 
Spite match. You are pitting a man who makes back-up plans for back-up plans. This would already be close, but putting in Prep-Time just gives Batman an 11/10 stomp win.
 
Batman has some really insane feats, that would put him in the superhuman category. His gear is pretty good too...

He should win.
 
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