Batman Arkham Additions and Revisions

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Transmutation (6:04) for Clayface + resistance to Transmutation and Poison manipulation of Clayface for Batman with his armors, and for Nightwing and Robin (2:01)

Resistance to Mind manipulation, Mind control, Empathic manipulation and Poison manip of Poison Ivy for Batman with his armors (5:04)

Resistance to Sleep manipulation, Mind manipulation, Mind control and Illusion creation of Mad Hatter for Batman (For the same reasons as this: "Has resisted Scarecrow's highly-toxic hallucinogens countless times even when overdosed and always emerged triumphant over them. Resisted The Joker's insanity as a result of having his blood injected into him and ultimately cured himself of it")

Hugo Strange's Tier should be changed from "Likely 10-A" to "10-A" (1:41 and 1:56), and Athlete level or/possibly Peak Human in speed

Dream manipulation for the Joker with his blood, the whole story of Batman Arkham VR takes place in a dream of Bruce, manipulated by the Joker (0:00 and 25:23)

Batman: Assault on Arkham shouldn't be considered canon anymore since the announcement of Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League and the presence of King Shark in the game, who is however killed in the animated film. (PS: In Batman: Assault on Arkham, this is the first time that Waller reunites Task Force X, so the game Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League does not take place before)
In Batman Arkham Knight's Red Hood DLC, one of Black Mask's thugs said that Red Hood killed Black Spider (1:33:20), who also died in Batman: Assault on Arkham (See the video above)
PS: Or it was a new Black Spider, that's also possible.

Edit: Nightwing and Robin should also have resistance to Poison Ivy's hax with their armors like Batman

 

[Chariot190]

Agreed, though it should be noted the res to illusions and all that takes awhile to kick in, he can't exactly shrug it off even if he eventually overcomes it.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

In the Arkhamverse, Bane also broke Batman's spine, but Batman recovered from his injury and continued his career as a vigilante (3:11 and 3:07). It's a kind of regeneration, isn't it?
I don't know if in real life you can actually heal a broken spine ,and Bruce had to heal quickly, because he had a 10-year career and he faced a lot of enemies, so it didn't have to take many years for him to heal.
Edit: 13-year career*

 

[KLOL506]

Looks very good.

 

[Hellbeast]

I'd also note we shouldn't use the Arkham Knight comics which are seemingly used on Bane's profile (it's the APC feat)

That same arc shows Bane getting killed by Arkham Knight when we know full well he's alive in Sant Prisca and off Venom by the time of the game. Also unsure if we use Arkham City: Lockdown currently but we shouldn't for similar reasons.

Deathstroke is a boss in that game when it's fairly clear in Knight Slade hasn't been back since Origins (dialogue in the game files outright confirm this to the be the case since it's said to be 8 years ago on the boat)

 

[KLOL506]

I'd also note we shouldn't use the Arkham Knight comics which are seemingly used on Bane's profile (it's the APC feat)

That same arc shows Bane getting killed by Arkham Knight when we know full well he's alive in Sant Prisca and off Venom by the time of the game. Also unsure if we use Arkham City: Lockdown currently but we shouldn't for similar reasons.

Deathstroke is a boss in that game when it's fairly clear in Knight Slade hasn't been back since Origins (dialogue in the game files outright confirm this to the be the case since it's said to be 8 years ago on the boat)

So there is an 8-year gap between Origins and Knight? Damn, that's not very long at all.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

So there is an 8-year gap between Origins and Knight? Damn, that's not very long at all.

10 years*

"Scarecrow's attack on Gotham takes place during Halloween. Firefighters confirm Batman faced Firefly in Gotham Pioneer's Bridge about ten years pior, and Deathstroke comments he fought Batman about ten years pior. Additionally, militia soldiers would comment that Nora Fries has been frozen for about ten years. Considering Arkham Origins is Batman's second year, this makes Arkham Knight the twelfth."

 

[Hellbeast]

Oo that’s right
Point still stands tho, we need to be careful with the media we’re using for Arkham Batman

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Rocksteady implied that the Deadshot from the Arkham games was an imposter or imposters

So that further proves that Arkham Assault is no longer canon in the Arkham verse.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Rocksteady implied that the Deadshot from the Arkham games was an imposter or imposters

So that further proves that Arkham Assault is no longer canon in the Arkham verse.

It doesn’t. It means the imposter was in Assault in Arkham. We shouldn’t say it is non canon yet because we don’t know how to take will handle things.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

It doesn’t. It means the imposter was in Assault in Arkham. We shouldn’t say it is non canon yet because we don’t know how to take will handle things.

Deadshot has a picture of himself and his daughter in the movie, and he has Floyd Lawton's background. This is the real Deadshot, which is further proof (along with the death of King Shark and possibly Black Spider) that the movie is no longer canon.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Deadshot has a picture of himself and his daughter in the movie, and he has Floyd Lawton's background. This is the real Deadshot, which is further proof (along with the death of King Shark and possibly Black Spider) that the movie is no longer canon.

But this is something in the Arkham games as well. It retcons more then just the movie, but no one is saying that Arkham City and Origins aren’t canon. King Shark could be a different guy in the game, and why does Black Spider mean anything for this?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

It retcons more then just the movie, but no one is saying that Arkham City and Origins aren’t canon.

No one is saying City and Origins aren't canon because they're the games, the main canon, compared to Assault on Arkham. In Suicide Squad: Kill the JL and Assault on Arkham, Task Force X is created for the first time, so the two games cannot be canon to each other. Rocksteady have already made other Arkhamverse works outside of games non-canon such as certain Arkham Knight comics by letting characters like Bane and Captain Boomerang live, so it's no surprise they're doing the same with a animation Film.

But this is something in the Arkham games as well.

What ? Deadshot carrying around the picture of him and his daughter on him?

King Shark could be a different guy in the game,

Well, maybe, but that would surprise me.

and why does Black Spider mean anything for this?

I say "possibly" for Black Spider, because several Black Spiders also exist in the comics, so it's also possible in the Arkhamverse.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

In Suicide Squad: Kill the JL and Assault on Arkham, Task Force X is created for the first time, so the two games cannot be canon to each other.

That’s completely false, Task Force X had existed for some time before Assault on Arkham.

What ? Deadshot carrying around the picture of him and his daughter on him?

Not that specifically, but fakeshot being Floyd Lawton.

 

[Hellbeast]

Thing is there’s no evidence of that and it’s unlikely SS game Deadshot isn’t meant to be Floyd

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Thing is there’s no evidence of that and it’s unlikely SS game Deadshot isn’t meant to be Floyd

But the bios and character call him Lawton. The game isn’t out, so what you think or what is likely doesn’t matter.

 

[Hellbeast]

But the bios and character call him Lawton. The game isn’t out, so what you think or what is likely doesn’t matter.

Then it’s a retcon

simple as that

he was Floyd when Origins and City came out but now that’s been overruled canonically speaking

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

But why would it mean that Assault on Arkham is no longer canon if it affects the mainline games as well?

 

[Hellbeast]

Because mainline games are the highest form of canon and there’s other contradictions

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

ask Force X had existed for some time before Assault on Arkham.

No, Task Force X never went into action before the events of the movie, I don't know where you saw that.

Not that specifically, but fakeshot being Floyd Lawton.

He just stole his identity to impersonate Deadshot, that's all, that's not enough proof compared to the fact that Deadshot has a picture of him and his daughter in Assault on Arkham

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

No, Task Force X never went into action before the events of the movie, I don't know where you saw that.

Bro, rewatch the movie. They make it clear that Harley, Boomerang, Deadshot, and Riddler were on the team before.

 

[Hellbeast]

Having checked the timeline Thing is right on the Squad's activities
Origins Blackgate shows that at least some members were already actively working iirc

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Origins Blackgate shows that at least some members were already actively working iirc

It specifically shows that the team was formed during the game.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Is the new Suicide Squad game canon to the Arkham games? I wasn't aware.

Additions look good btw.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

It specifically shows that the team was formed during the game.

She started to be created in the game yes, but that's all. Amanda Waller hired some villains to create the group, but in no way did they do other missions before Assault on Arkham, the proof with Deadshot, Captain Boomerang and Harley Quinn who did not know about nanobombs before Waller presented them.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Is the new Suicide Squad game canon to the Arkham games? I wasn't aware.

Yep

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Yep

Then I agree with everything in the OP.

Also, Batman should get Resistance to Ice Manipulation or something. When the Penguin hit him with Freeze's gun and encased his arm in ice, he easily broke free. The other cops that Penguin froze weren't able to break free at all.
I think he should also get Status Effect Inducement with Sonic Batarangs (and probably Batarangs in general tbh), and the Concussion Detonator, since they can disorient or knock out foes.
His Sound Manipulation needs to also include his voice synthesizer.
Oh, also Adhesive Manipulation with his Glue Grenade.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

I agree with everything but the Assault on Arkham point.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I agree with everything but the Assault on Arkham point.

We can no longer accept this movie as canon since the announcement of the game

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

17:15-17:20
Batman can dodge projectiles coming from behind him. Is it a special ability (instinctive reaction or something?) or just a normal reaction?

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

We can no longer accept this movie as canon since the announcement of the game

No, that’s not true. We don’t know the situation with some characters. It is far too premature to say things for certain. We can keep it as canon until the game comes out, and we can see for sure from there.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

No, that’s not true. We don’t know the situation with some characters. It is far too premature to say things for certain. We can keep it as canon until the game comes out, and we can see for sure from there.

I explained how Assault on Arkham could no longer be canon with Arkhamverse, because in movie and in the game, the Task Force X is do their first missions as we can clearly see:
In the trailer of the game, Waller says "Welcome to the Task Force X" at Harley Quinn, Captain Boomerang, King Shark and Deadshot and shows them that they have a nanobombes by electrocuting them, and in the movie, Waller explain to all the members they have a nanobombes in the neck, which includes Deadshot, Harley Quinn, King Shark and Captain Boomerang. It is therefore very clearly their first missions. And let's not forget the case of Deadshot.

But it is better to wait for the opinion of others on this subject to decide.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

I explained how Assault on Arkham could no longer be canon with Arkhamverse, because in movie and in the game, the Task Force X is do their first missions as we can clearly see:
In the trailer of the game, Waller says "Welcome to the Task Force X" at Harley Quinn, Captain Boomerang, King Shark and Deadshot and shows them that they have a nanobombes by electrocuting them, and in the movie, Waller explain to all the members they have a nanobombes in the neck, which includes Deadshot, Harley Quinn, King Shark and Captain Boomerang. It is therefore very clearly their first missions. And let's not forget the case of Deadshot.

That could be trailer narration for all we know. That’s not evidence for Assault being non canon.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Then I agree with everything in the OP.

Also, Batman should get Resistance to Ice Manipulation or something. When the Penguin hit him with Freeze's gun and encased his arm in ice, he easily broke free. The other cops that Penguin froze weren't able to break free at all.
I think he should also get Status Effect Inducement with Sonic Batarangs (and probably Batarangs in general tbh), and the Concussion Detonator, since they can disorient or knock out foes.
His Sound Manipulation needs to also include his voice synthesizer.
Oh, also Adhesive Manipulation with his Glue Grenade.

And:
Resistance to Corrsion Inducement
Resistance to Electricity Manipulation
Limited Resistance to Gravity Manipulation ?
Edit: And "Genius, possibly Extraordinary Genius" for intelligence

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

And:
Resistance to Corrsion Inducement
Resistance to Electricity Manipulation

Yes and yes.

Limited Resistance to Gravity Manipulation ?

Not sure tbh.

Edit: And "Genius, possibly Extraordinary Genius" for intelligence

Grenius is a given, of course. What's your reasoning for Extraordinary Genius?

17:15-17:20
Batman can dodge projectiles coming from behind him. Is it a special ability (instinctive reaction or something?) or just a normal reaction?

Could be used as further justification for his Enhanced Senses.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

What's your reasoning for Extraordinary Genius?

Possibly Extraordinary Genius because Batman is an expert in a ridiculous number of fields:

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Possibly Extraordinary Genius because Batman is an expert in a ridiculous number of fields:

I guess he does somewhat fulfill this portion of the Extraordinary Genius criteria:

Extraordinary Genius: Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits.

So yeah, Possibly Extraordinary Genius should probably be fine. He also invented many of his gadgets, as we see in Arkham Origins, so yeah.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Time manipulation for the Joker and his blood ? (It's a weird feat)

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

He also invented many of his gadgets, as we see in Arkham Origins, so yeah.

And he can find cures for the Titan serum and for the transformation into Man-Bat, knows the molecular formula of the Lazarus Pit, can solve all Riddler puzzles, can decrypts Azrael's symbols et subliminal messages, can outsmart and beat Deathstroke who has enhanced mental abilities and even other master strategists and tacticians like Bane, Arkham Knight, Prometheus (dark reflection of Batman), etc...

 

[Hellbeast]

TBH Bane and Prometheus aren't great

Bane is only really cunning in Origins and is essentially a Brute after that. Prometheus also has like no feats to really use unfortunately