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It actually does, but it depends on if it’s consistent with the character’s portrayalDoesn't running through time constitute as Immeasurable?
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It actually does, but it depends on if it’s consistent with the character’s portrayalDoesn't running through time constitute as Immeasurable?
While that makes sense Tails does state Sonic was restoring space by running through timeActually Sonic being capable of ''fixing space'' with his speed is oftenly regarded as a spatial manip feat of his own, and that's a limited one.
Running through time can be performed via FTL travel, that's if, of course, said verse follows those kind of rules, which in the case of Sonic verse this is completely different.
I could edit the original post. Would I need to change the entire structure/format of what I've written or could I just clarify on things beneath what I've written? I am a little confused by this.I don’t think it’s important to discuss the Generations running through time thing, I think it would be best if someone summed up the feats and counter arguments again, maybe in a edit for the OP. since multiple things have been changed since the thread started
Limited Spatial Manipulation (With their speed alone, Modern and Classic Sonic can "fix space" with their speed)While that makes sense Tails does state Sonic was restoring space by running through time
I guess just clairfiy at least the Advance 2 Feat since that’s changed the most hereI could edit the original post. Would I need to change the entire structure/format of what I've written or could I just clarify on things beneath what I've written? I am a little confused by this.
He's speed blitzing many characters in his tier if that's the caseYikes, Imagine Sonic having infinite speed in base with just 5-A ratings, OOF!
I get that part. That makes sense and I can agree to that. But I was more so referring to the part where Tails states the Sonic's accelerate through time part of the sentence. I was wondering if that part alone (Not the restoring space part of the feat) would be considered Immeasurable given Immeasurable's definition. When I think of Immeasurable speed I think of accelerating/running through time.Limited Spatial Manipulation (With their speed alone, Modern and Classic Sonic can "fix space" with their speed)
That's regarded as hax here.
I'm pretty sure what he actually meant was that the Sonics were redoing all of the events of the past games to get up to the present, thus they were "accelerating" through linear time. Though restoring space is indeed some sort of spatial manipulation, no way any normal person could actually restore destroyed space.I get that part. That makes sense and I can agree to that. But I was more so referring to the part where Tails states the Sonic's accelerate through time part of the sentence. I was wondering if that part alone (Not the restoring space part of the feat) would be considered Immeasurable given Immeasurable's definition. When I think of Immeasurable speed I think of accelerating/running through time.
That actually does seem logical. I hadn't thought of something like that. There's just 1 issue though. The Japanese Sub doesn't seem to imply that's the case at all. Tails seems to imply Sonic jump-starts Time again with the appropriate amount of speedI'm pretty sure what he actually meant was that the Sonics were redoing all of the events of the past games to get up to the present, thus they were "accelerating" through linear time. Though restoring space is indeed some sort of spatial manipulation, no way any normal person could actually restore destroyed space.
Yeah I forgot to mention that they are restoring time. it wouldn't be immeasurable because the time technically doesn't even exist for them to run through the past to future. So we can just assume they moved through linear time and then restored time and space with due to hax coming from their speed. Even if he did get immeasurable, I'm pretty sure it would contradict the Solaris feat considering that the chaos emeralds are supposed to increase Sonic's speed.That actually does seem logical. I hadn't thought of something like that. There's just 1 issue though. The Japanese Sub doesn't seem to imply that's the case at all. Tails seems to imply Sonic jump-starts Time again with the appropriate amount of speed
restoring and making time start moving again via speed would appear to be a speed feat. Although is it possible that it's time manipulation?
This is useful information. Does space manipulation allow you to get time moving again? I was under the false assumption that Sonic was running at Immeasurable speeds to 'jumpstart' normal time again in those 'white worlds' which made me believe that moving time through speed required speed comparable to time. Which I associate with immeasurable.Yeah I forgot to mention that they are restoring time. it wouldn't be immeasurable because the time technically doesn't even exist for them to run through the past to future. So we can just assume they moved through linear time and then restored time and space with due to hax coming from their speed. Even if he did get immeasurable, I'm pretty sure it would contradict the Solaris feat considering that the chaos emeralds are supposed to increase Sonic's speed.
No, that should be time manip. It's both space and time manip im pretty sure.This is useful information. Does space manipulation allow you to get time moving again? I was under the false assumption that Sonic was running at Immeasurable speeds to 'jumpstart' normal time again in those 'white worlds' which made me believe that moving time through speed required speed comparable to time. Which I associate with immeasurable.
I'm pretty sure you can be higher in immeasurable speed if there's more temporal axis you can move through as if they were space, but in Solaris' case it's only one. Also Solaris might lose his immeasurable rating soon due to standards changing.Another quick question. Can't 1 Immeasurable character be faster than another? It could just be that Super Sonic is immeasurable to a higher degree if this is the case.
That's time travel, not speed.Another question I would also likely to briefly cover is; Does using time hax to fast-forward through time via time count as immeasurable speed via hax? Shadow is noted to do this and it could be used to put him at Immeasurable via Chaos Control he can use naturally.
Super Sonic's Immeasureable is on a higher degree hereAnother quick question. Can't 1 Immeasurable character be faster than another? It could just be that Super Sonic is immeasurable to a higher degree if this is the case.
Yes, scaling chains still exist in immeasurable, Game Sonic is already above baseline via blitzing SolarisAnother quick question. Can't 1 Immeasurable character be faster than another? It could just be that Super Sonic is immeasurable to a higher degree if this is the case.
Wouldn't Time Travel be more like traveling to the future? He doesn't travel to the future. He uses Chaos Control to fast-forward and move through linear time. He's still shown covering the entire distance however as opposed to instantly moving from 1 point in time to another. I think Space-Manipulation is a better term to use as it's broader.That's time travel, not speed.
Oof, that CRT still exists.Also Solaris might lose his immeasurable rating soon due to standards changing.
Wouldn't Time Travel be more like traveling to the future? He doesn't travel to the future. He uses Chaos Control to fast-forward and move through linear time. He's still shown covering the entire distance however as opposed to instantly moving from 1 point in time to another. I think Space-Manipulation is a better term to use as it's broader.
Should be time manipulation. The manual seems to make it out to be that way. The description implies he accelerates time to move through space and/or time to reach a destination fasterdoes this mean shadow is a black priest with a stand that accelerates time
Yes that's just time manipulation if there is evidence for that, unless you're talking about the simple teleport. The teleport is space manip.
None of this would be speed, just bending time. He is moving forward in time, but you still can't get immeasurable from that. You'd have to view time as a spatial dimension, and hell there's even stricter standards now so I'm not even sure if THAT is enough.Should be time manipulation. The manual seems to make it out to be that way. The description implies he accelerates time to move through space and/or time to reach a destination faster
"Use Chaos Control to manipulate time and fast-forward through the stage at breakneck speed".
What kind of speed does this method of transportation to provide? Does it only amp him past FTL? Does it allow Immeasurable speed via hax?
Wow, this time stuff is more complicated than I thought. So would bending time just essentially be unquantifiable? I'm confused as to how the ability would benefit anything if it doesn't allow him to move from one point to another quicker. Something like teleporting and or Time Travel is far easier to understand.None of this would be speed, just bending time. He is moving forward in time, but you still can't get immeasurable from that. You'd have to view time as a spatial dimension, and hell there's even stricter standards now so I'm not even sure if THAT is enough.
Here is the speed page If you have any doubts about that. (Of course, make sure to read the notes)Wow, this time stuff is more complicated than I thought. So would bending time just essentially be unquantifiable? I'm confused as to how the ability would benefit anything if it doesn't allow him to move from one point to another quicker. Something like teleporting and or Time Travel is far easier to understand.
Time acceleration is ftl if you go to the page (I probably should've checked it out lol).Wow, this time stuff is more complicated than I thought. So would bending time just essentially be unquantifiable? I'm confused as to how the ability would benefit anything if it doesn't allow him to move from one point to another quicker. Something like teleporting and or Time Travel is far easier to understand.
Page 4 now, doesn’t seem this is going anywhere, but I still gotta try even if it’s rejectedMan page 5?, this thread seems to have been forgotten, like tears in the rain
anyways bump