Bakugo VS Wave (7-1-0)

[V999]

My Hero Academia VS Akame Ga Kill!

• Speed are equalized
• Double Teigu Activation Wave and Final War Bakugo are used
• Bakugo : 557.41 Gigatons, higher with Cluster, far higher with Howitzer Impact: Cluster
• Wave : 381.03 Gigatons
• Location : Nabu Island

Katsuki Bakugo : 7 (@TheRustyOne, @TauanVictor, @DimeUhDozen, @Eseseso, @MintyBoi1, @SuperStar, @V999)

Wave : 1 (@TheGuy)

Inconclusive :

 

[TheRustyOne]

OFA Bakugo breaks his bones with every attack and even stumbles from the pain.

It's possible to defeat him by just avoiding his attacks and waiting for his body to give out due to all of the damage he's inflicting on himself.

Which won't even take 2 minutes.

This is a massive stomp in Wave's favor.

 

[V999]

Well then let me change it

 

[TheRustyOne]

Going by the profiles, Wave is comparable 4th stage Tatsumi and can stagger Purge Mode Shikoutazer with their attacks. 2nd stage Tatsumi is incapable of harming Purge Mode Shikoutazer and was easily overpowered by it, he almost died. 2nd stage Tatsumi is 381 Gigatons.

Bakugo is over 2.5X weaker than 2nd stage Tatsumi. So Wave is vastly stronger here.

The gap between him and Bakugo is larger than the gap between 2nd stage Tatsumi and Purge Mode Shikoutazer. So Bakugo's going to be taking vastly more damage to Wave's attack in comparison to the damage he could inflict on Wave.

Wave also uses sharp weaponry, he could easily slice off limbs, decapitate, or impale Bakugo with a single direct hit from his blade or wings. Both can fly freely and have long ranged attacks, Wave's attacks will overpower Bakugo's if they meet, so he can easily counter them or honestly just tank the hits.

Bakugo's only advantage is being able to amp his speed with Cluster, which is an amp by an unknown amount. He'll be faster, but it's not like he'll be blitzing him. Wave is also vastly superior in close combat as well, though Bakugo is a Mid to Long range fighter.

Voting Wave, I don't think Bakugo can overcome the sheer differences in their AP and Dura.

Pretty sure Wave beats every MHA High 6-C that isn't Shigaraki or Deku.

 

[Eseseso]

Wave FRA

 

[TheGuy]

Wave FRA

 

[SuperStar]

Wave FRA

 

[Mickey1940]

Wave has an AP advantage and possibly skill

Bakugo has Damage Boosts, burn damage that can harm 6Bs, several spammable attacks that multiply his AP several times over, Stun Grenade, potentially better flight/manuverability, cluster speed boosts (which is shown to affect his battle speed against Shiggy), and larger AOE

Not sure what's stopping Bakugo from just camping him out with Stun Grenade spam, dodging everything with Cluster, build enough sweat, then eviscerate Wave with Strafe Panzer

ngl I have no idea why Bakugo isn't 6B. His explosions were ripping chunks off Shiggy's body

 

[Mickey1940]

bump

 

[Peppersalt43]

Wave FRA

 

[Mickey1940]

Wave FRA

I directly countered the reasons supporting Wave. Would you be willing to address those?

 

[Peppersalt43]

no

 

[Mickey1940]

no

?

wdym no?

 

[TheRustyOne]

Because they weren't convinced by your post and aren't obligated to explain why.

Snip

Bakugo never tore off pieces of Shigaraki's main body, which is 6-B. He destroyed Shigaraki's finger growth, which is only High 6-C via scaling to Mirko's durability. It's vastly weaker than his main body, as shown with Nejire's Energy (Escorted by Mirio) was unable to scratch him, despite the fact she can destroy his finger growths.

Burning with high heat is dura negation and doesn't lead to any scaling.

Bakugo's never spams Stun Grenade in character nor would it be a game changer. Wave, just like many other characters in his series, is capable of sensing people. This was a situation where he was relaxed, yet he still was able to detect multiple people who were watching them. Being blinded for a second won't stop him.

Wave's attacks are vastly stronger than Bakugo's as well. Any clash between their attacks is victory for Wave as they'll go straight through his explosions and body.

Bakugo is over 2.5x weaker than someone who is weaker than Wave.

Wave = 4th Form Tatsumi > 3rd Form Tatsumi > 2nd Form Tatsumi = 381 Gigatons. Bakugo is comparable to 139 Gigatons.

Bakugo's heat based attacks aren't insta-death and Wave is wearing armor with no exposed flesh. He can power through Bakugo's attack and overwhelm him with his own attacks. By the time Bakugo realizes Wave's advantages he'll find himself taking fatal damage, due to the majority of Wave's attacks being sharp.

Note: I believe Bakugo indeed has an advantage in ranged combat over all, but I don't think that's enough to overcome the huge stat difference.

While there is a possibility of Bakugo gaining a 6-B rating, it would only be with his Full-Body Cluster, which is not being represented in this key.

 

[Mickey1940]

Bakugo never tore off pieces of Shigaraki's main body, which is 6-B. He destroyed Shigaraki's finger growth, which is only High 6-C via scaling to Mirko's durability. It's vastly weaker than his main body, as shown with Nejire's Energy (Escorted by Mirio) was unable to scratch him, despite the fact she can destroy his finger growths.

Burning with high heat is dura negation and doesn't lead to any scaling.

Bakugo's never spams Stun Grenade in character nor would it be a game changer. Wave, just like many other characters in his series, is capable of sensing people. This was a situation where he was relaxed, yet he still was able to detect multiple people who were watching them. Being blinded for a second won't stop him.

Wave's attacks are vastly stronger than Bakugo's as well. Any clash between their attacks is victory for Wave as they'll go straight through his explosions and body.

Bakugo is over 2.5x weaker than someone who is weaker than Wave.

Wave = 4th Form Tatsumi > 3rd Form Tatsumi > 2nd Form Tatsumi = 381 Gigatons. Bakugo is comparable to 139 Gigatons.

Bakugo's heat based attacks aren't insta-death and Wave is wearing armor with no exposed flesh. He can power through Bakugo's attack and overwhelm him with his own attacks. By the time Bakugo realizes Wave's advantages he'll find himself taking fatal damage, due to the majority of Wave's attacks being sharp.

Note: I believe Bakugo indeed has an advantage in ranged combat over all, but I don't think that's enough to overcome the huge stat difference.

While there is a possibility of Bakugo gaining a 6-B rating, it would only be with his Full-Body Cluster, which is not being represented in this key.

1. Bakugo's Full Body Cluster (which is used in this matchup, idk why it wouldn't be? It's Final War Bakugo) is strong enough that Shiggy instinctively killed him before his attack went off. Howitzer Impact: Cluster would have done the same thing, and Shiggy even said the attack was "Wonderful, so he had to break it".

2. Bakugo's attack blatantly left a massive burn on Shiggy's face. It can do much worse against someone who is far weaker with no heat resistance

3. Sensing people doesn't change the fact that A. Being temporarily blinded for the first time is bound to catch you off guard if you're not expecting it, allowing Bakugo to blast him for free, and B. Being able to sense people doesn't protect him from the searing pain his eyes are gonna experience from every blast. Just 1 was enough to turn Lizardy into a frothing mess. He also does use it in character against people stronger than him, as her used it against All Might

4. Howitzer Impact can one shot people above his level. Cluster is even stronger than that. Both are spammable, both can be combined, and the combination is equally spammable and in character. Wave's stronger than Base Bakugo but they can both cripple each other with regular attacks

5. If Wave is wearing armor then Bakugo cooks him like an oven. Stun Grenade, generally superior mobility, and Cluster speed amps means Bakugo can dance around him infinitely and wear him down until Wave dies

 

[Peppersalt43]

Anyway, bump

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Wave FRA

 

[TheRustyOne]

The High 6-C's of MHA have been upgraded.

Bakugo is now 557.41 Gigatons of TNT, he's now stronger than Wave in this moment, around a 1.5x difference. Bakugo's range game can now compete with Wave's, his explosions become stronger the longer he fights, and can increase their power even further with Cluster and his Howitzer Impact.

While Wave is a superior fighter up close, Bakugo is a Mid to Long Range fighter and will mostly fight at a distance while spamming ranged attacks. Bakugo also has more experience with Flight and fighting at a distance compared to Wave so he should have the advantage in this case.

Bakugo's Cluster also amps his speed, letting him move far faster than he could previously. Which should let him outmaneuver Wave in the air.

Without the stat advantage I don't see Wave being able to counter Bakugo in this case. Even if Wave got close that just leaves him open to massive AOE attacks he can't dodge. Eventually he'll break through his armor and I believe a Howitzer Impact: Cluster could do massive damage if not one shot.

That attack completely destroyed a massively sized growth that scales to 557.41 Gigatons.

I'm voting for Bakugo now, since I believe Wave's biggest advantage was his AP/Dura. Not that he lacks advantage, but I believe Bakugo can now overcome them.

 

[TauanVictor]

Bakugo FRA

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Switching my vote to Bakugo.

 

[Eseseso]

I guess I'll swap to Bakugo FRA

 

[MintyBoi1]

Bakugo FRA

 

[SuperStar]

Bakugo fra

 

[V999]

Bakugo FRA and GRACE

 

[Vzearr]

Another FRA train......

 

[Steve1775]

Wouldn't Wave's attack reflection work here?

 

[SlendVeny]

I was expecting this to be Wave the Swallow, and was very confused.

Anyway, definitely leaning Bakugo.

 

[Mickey1940]

Wouldn't Wave's attack reflection work here?

How exactly does that work?

and does it work against Stun Grenade?