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Recently, on Baki's thread #3, there was a lot of questioning about the legitimacy of Yujiro scaling to modern atomic weapons.
The problem with this scaling at tier 7 was that it caused a lot of inconsistencies, especially on the number of characters who clearly didn't have yujiro's level but were scaling to him somehow because they had faced someone who was comparable to someone who was comparable to someone who was comparable to Yujiro (you get the idea). And on the giant leap that the characters made in tiering because of that while they were OBVIOUSLY getting gradually stronger in the manga.
Since there were better arguments against this automatic scaling to tier 7, which until then had never been questioned (like the fact that the only people who said Yujiro could tank an atomic bomb are people who clearly don't know what they are talking about), it was decided to follow only the calculations that were already available to give Yujiro a tier. The most powerful of them all was this feat made by Baki, to which Yujiro upscaled, getting a 8-A instead of a Low 7-B.
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So here are the changes I personally propose. I tried to respect the current tier distribution as much as possible, but there might be some mistakes, if you don't agree, let me know. ^^
I also made a list of how much some characters scale far away from yujiro, so we know which tiers to be careful with and which are the most accurate.
Legend :
Yujiro and comparable characters (Range 0)
Characters who scales from Yujiro and comparable characters (Range 1)
Characters who scales from range 1 characters (Range 2)
Characters who scales from range 2 characters (Range 3)
Characters who scales from range 3 characters (Range 4)
Characters who scales from range 4 characters (Range 5)
Reiho's page doesn't exist yet, I will create it right after his fight with Nomi is finished, but their boss said Reiho was the only one capable of throwing Kyogei, and being the Yokozuna, he's more likely to be the strongest anyway.
Ok : LordGinSama, FoxBall, EliminatorVenom, Amlad22, M1keyOnDiscord, Sir_Ovens
Maybe : NotoriouSoda
Not ok : -
The problem with this scaling at tier 7 was that it caused a lot of inconsistencies, especially on the number of characters who clearly didn't have yujiro's level but were scaling to him somehow because they had faced someone who was comparable to someone who was comparable to someone who was comparable to Yujiro (you get the idea). And on the giant leap that the characters made in tiering because of that while they were OBVIOUSLY getting gradually stronger in the manga.
Since there were better arguments against this automatic scaling to tier 7, which until then had never been questioned (like the fact that the only people who said Yujiro could tank an atomic bomb are people who clearly don't know what they are talking about), it was decided to follow only the calculations that were already available to give Yujiro a tier. The most powerful of them all was this feat made by Baki, to which Yujiro upscaled, getting a 8-A instead of a Low 7-B.
Supplementary Baki feats
vsbattles.fandom.com
So here are the changes I personally propose. I tried to respect the current tier distribution as much as possible, but there might be some mistakes, if you don't agree, let me know. ^^
I also made a list of how much some characters scale far away from yujiro, so we know which tiers to be careful with and which are the most accurate.
Legend :
Yujiro and comparable characters (Range 0)
Characters who scales from Yujiro and comparable characters (Range 1)
Characters who scales from range 1 characters (Range 2)
Characters who scales from range 2 characters (Range 3)
Characters who scales from range 3 characters (Range 4)
Characters who scales from range 4 characters (Range 5)
| Character | Key | Old tier | New tier | Reason |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Yujiro | - | At least Low 7-B+, likely higher, higher with Demon Back | 8-A, likely higher, higher with Demon Back | Scale superior to the Imaginary slam feat |
| Baki | Post-pickle arc to current | At least Low 7-B+, likely higher in base, higher with Demon Back | 8-A, likely higher, higher with Demon Back | Scale to Yujiro |
| Yuichiro | - | At least Low 7-B+, likely higher, higher with Demon Back | 8-A, likely higher, higher with Demon Back | Scale or debatably superior to Yujiro |
| Pickle | - | At least Low 7-B+, likely higher, higher with his transformation | 8-A, likely higher, higher with his transformation | Scale to Yujiro |
| Musashi Miyamoto | - | At least Low 7-B+, likely higher, higher at full power | 8-A, likely higher, higher at full power | Scale to Yujiro and Baki |
| Kaku | - | At least Low 7-B+, likely higher with complete mastery over Shaori/Xiao-Lee | 8-A, likely higher with complete mastery over Shaori/Xiao-Lee | Scale to base Yujiro |
| Nomi no Sukune II | - | At least Low 7-B+, likely higher | 8-A, likely higher | Scale to current Baki, upscale from Reiho |
| Deinonychus | - | At least Low 7-B+, likely higher | 8-A, likely higher | Scale to Pickle |
| T-Rex | - | At least Low 7-B+, likely higher | 8-A, likely higher | Scale to Pickle |
| Hanayama | Baki dou | At least Low 7-B, likely Low 7-B+ | At least 8-B+, likely 8-A | Dowscale from casual Yujiro and upscale from Musashi's dura |
| Oliva | - | Low 7-B, likely Low 7-B+ | 8-B+, likely higher | Downscale from casual Yujiro, upscale from imaginary slam because he's superior to base raitai to pickle baki |
| Jack | Son of ogre | Low 7-B | 8-B+ | Downscale from casual Pickle |
| Doppo | Prime | Low 7-B | 8-B+ | Downscale from casual Yujiro |
| Hanayama | Son of Ogre | Low 7-B | 8-B+ | Downscale from casual Pickle |
| Katsumi | Son of ogre | Low 7-B, Low 7-B+ with Hitless Blow | 8-B naturally, 8-A, likely higher with Hitless Blow | Heavily downscale from casual Pickle, Hitless blow scale to Pickle |
| Honoo | - | Low 7-B | 8-B | Downscale from casual current Baki with 8-B+ durability |
| Baki | Raitai arc to Pickle arc | At least Low 7-B, likely Low 7-B+ with Demon Back | 8-B+, likely higher with Demon Back | Demon back scale to Oliva, base scale to the imaginary slam |
| Shibukawa | - | 9-A, up to Low 7-B+ with Aiki | 9-A, up to 8-A with Aiki | Aiki upscale from Oliva |
| Katsumi | Baki dou II | At least Low 7-B, likely higher, higher with Retsu's spirit, Low 7-B+ with Hitless Blow | At least 8-B, likely higher, higher with Retsu's spirit, 8-A, likely higher with Hitless blow | Upscale from his SOO self |
| Retsu | Son of ogre | Low 7-B | 8-B | Scale to SOO Katsumi |
| Ron Shobun | - | Low 7-B | 8-B+ | Downscale from Oliva |
| Guevaru | - | Low 7-B | 8-B+ | Downscale from Oliva |
| Shachihoko | - | Low 7-B | 8-B | Downscale from Dou Hanayama with 8-B+ durability |
| Iwao Muneuchi | - | At most Low 7-B | At most 8-B | Downscale from prime doppo |
| Doppo | Baki Dou | Low 7-B | 8-B | Scale to SOO Retsu |
| Retsu | Baki Dou | At least Low 7-B, likely higher | At least 8-B+, likely higher | Upscale from his SOO self, should be comparable to dou Katsumi |
| Joe crasier | - | Low 7-B | 8-B | Scale to SOO Retsu |
| Kyogei | - | Low 7-B+ | 8-A | Scale to Shibukawa's Aiki |
| Shishimaru | - | At least Low 7-B, likely higher | 8-B+ | Slightly upscale from Dou Katsumi |
| Motobe | Baki dou | At least 9-A, likely far higher physically, Low 7-B, likely Low 7-B+ with equipment | At least 9-A, likely far higher physically, at least 8-B+, likely higher with equipment | Scale to Musashi's dura, who scale to Dou Retsu |
| Taketsurugi | - | Low 7-B | 8-B | Scale to Dou Doppo but with 8-B+ durability |
| Reiho | - | - | 8-A | Scale to Kyogei |
| Jack | Baki dou | At least Low 7-B, likely Low 7-B+ | At least 8-B+, likely higher | Scale to Motobe |
Reiho's page doesn't exist yet, I will create it right after his fight with Nomi is finished, but their boss said Reiho was the only one capable of throwing Kyogei, and being the Yokozuna, he's more likely to be the strongest anyway.
Ok : LordGinSama, FoxBall, EliminatorVenom, Amlad22, M1keyOnDiscord, Sir_Ovens
Maybe : NotoriouSoda
Not ok : -
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