Atlus' Metaphor: ReFantazio Discussion Thread

[Lukewoesal007]

Yeah, the general consensus among the Megami Tensei supporters is that Metaphor is set within the cosmology but does not necessarily scale to actual Shin Megami Tensei or Persona characters (or anyone else). Planetary level with insane hax is the current forecast.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Yeah, the general consensus among the Megami Tensei supporters is that Metaphor is set within the cosmology but does not necessarily scale to actual Shin Megami Tensei or Persona characters (or anyone else). Planetary level with insane hax is the current forecast.

it's funny how Catherine scales higher despite being a platformer, huh

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

it's funny how Catherine scales higher despite being a platformer, huh

the great seeker is still 1-A

 

[AnAverageUsername]

the great seeker is still 1-A

even if that's the case Catherine still has Empyrean scaling with Dumuzid, Archangel, and Ishtar

 

[Shishii]

Yea it's (a staff/summoner thingy by mastering archetypes with eupha a summoner) not doing the summoning but it belongs to those who summons from the sea of souls. The connection couldn't be any more clearer as the summoning mechanic is still actively summoning shit from sea of souls which well includes demons? If you forcefully separate the megaten aspect of the sea of souls then you're just doing mental gymnastics.

The english localization that says it specifically summons from sea of souls is just a mistranslation.

That's a load of malarkey if I've ever seen it. That translation isn't more accurate or anything,

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

That's a load of malarkey if I've ever seen it. That translation isn't more accurate or anything,

lol

 

[Lukewoesal007]

malarkey

 

[Imaginym]

Yeah, the general consensus among the Megami Tensei supporters is that Metaphor is set within the cosmology but does not necessarily scale to actual Shin Megami Tensei or Persona characters (or anyone else). Planetary level with insane hax is the current forecast.

Why doesn't it scale if it has 1-A hax?
Also, what does 1-A hax mean? Is it a reference to how hard it is to resist? The range? Something else?

 

[Jesterofgames]

Why doesn't it scale if it has 1-A hax?
Also, what does 1-A hax mean? Is it a reference to how hard it is to resist? The range? Something else?

I believe 1-A hax means people below 1-A can't resist it.
From what I understand. Character's who hax are on supierior level of dimensionality from their stats are often called smurfs. Where their stats don't line up exactly with how potent their abilities are. It gives them a massive basically unfair advantage against most people similar in stats to them. As their resistances and hax are simply on a level beyond what people in their tier stat wise are usually up against.

 

[Imaginym]

I believe 1-A hax means people below 1-A can't resist it.
From what I understand. Character's who hax are on supierior level of dimensionality from their stats are often called smurfs. Where their stats don't line up exactly with how potent their abilities are. It gives them a massive basically unfair advantage against most people similar in stats to them. As their resistances and hax are simply on a level beyond what people in their tier stat wise are usually up against.

Ah. Thank you very much.

So if there were a Metaphor Jack Frost, it could cast Mabufu or whatever & one-shot anyone without 1-A tiering because multi/higher/beyond-dimensional ice attack?

& whether I have that right or not (I hope I do, but I could believe that I don't.), what's the reason Metaphor things would have access to this despite their lower tierings?

 

[Jesterofgames]

Ah. Thank you very much.

So if there were a Metaphor Jack Frost, it could cast Mabufu or whatever & one-shot anyone without 1-A tiering because multi/higher/beyond-dimensional ice attack?

& whether I have that right or not (I hope I do, but I could believe that I don't.), what's the reason Metaphor things would have access to this despite their lower tierings?

I think it's less that. and more Nobody without 1-A ice resistance could resist it.
it'd have Planetary potency but anybody with resistance to ice below 1-A would still be hit full force by it.

as for the reason I'm not sure myself probably just due to smt cosmology.

 

[Imaginym]

I think it's less that. and more Nobody without 1-A ice resistance could resist it.
it'd have Planetary potency

By "potency", you mean "Attack Potency"?

but anybody with resistance to ice below 1-A would still be hit full force by it.

Full force, as in, as though it were a Durability Negating Planet Level attack?

as for the reason I'm not sure myself probably just due to smt cosmology.

Nonetheless, thank you for your help in other parts of this discussion.

 

[ChosenOrDeath]

Can I ask where Large City and Planet level comes from?

 

[Jesterofgames]

By "potency", you mean "Attack Potency"?

Yes

Full force, as in, as though it were a Durability Negating Planet Level attack?

Kinda? more like even if someone where resistant to ice it'd bypass that. So they'd still be affected as if they didn't have ice resistance.

Can I ask where Large City and Planet level comes from?

Not sure where large city. But planetary comes from hype around artifacts I believe.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

 

[Jesterofgames]

what

 

[ChosenOrDeath]

Not sure where large city. But planetary comes from hype around artifacts I believe.

Couldn't that be interpreted as flowery language? I feel like that should be used tertiary evidence, not the main evidence.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Couldn't that be interpreted as flowery language? I feel like that should be used tertiary evidence, not the main evidence.

If it's constant hype by people who are reliable sources. I don't see why it should be dismissed or can't be used as main evedince.

 

[ChosenOrDeath]

If it's constant hype by people who are reliable sources. I don't see why it should be dismissed or can't be used as main evedince.

The reliable sources are just in game descriptions of weapons that are legends. Legends in Metaphor aren't even that reliable as several lore drops deal with destroying previously held beliefs. Unless confirmed by knowledgeable characters in the game by dialogue, they shouldn't be relied upon. Some of the weapons aren't even planet level descriptions like killing immortals or splitting heaven and earth.

The relics Neuras missions are about can't scale to anyone because there's no statement doing so. No statement about Louis being stronger than it or any character. You'd just have to assume with no basis.

Louis reshaping the world doesn't really work either as his whole plan is not about physically destroying anything via his own AP/DC. And "the world" doesn't necessarily refer to outside the continent either.

The game doesn't really have a feat that's even town level to my knowledge. Statements in a series with few to no physical feats, especially those based on legends in a game where legends and history is constantly proved wrong/wishy-washy, shouldn't be main evidence.

 

[Jesterofgames]

IDK maybe bring it up on the main Megaten thread. This one seems pretty dead.

 

[Lasting900]