Asura vs Alex Mercer

[Zamasu_Chan]

No you're eyes are not deceiving you. This is a 4-A vs a 7-C

Speed equalized

Asura:

Alex:

Incon:

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Soooooooo, uh.............

No.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

If High 6-C Cole MacGrath can't beat High 4-C Mario with subatomic hax, then there's no way Alex can overcome an even bigger gap. Asura us literally too strong to have his cells be affected.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Impossible, he was able to gas a 5-B+ character.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Do you have any idea how big the gap between 5-B and 4-A is? Hax has limits dude.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

That's a pretty MASSIVE gap right there.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Unless there is an entire dimensional tier difference (which there shouldn't be in this match as Asura isn't even a 4D being), having higher AP does not grant resistance to durability-negating hax such as Matter Manipulation. Matter Manipulation is treated as a durability-negating in most cases in this site (and I'm pretty sure I've recalled that it has been accepted by the staff that Matter Manipulation is treated as durability-negation in most cases), and I've even recalled that most franchises treat Matter Manipulation as durability-negating.

So Asura isn't gaining resistance to Mercer's hax just from AP alone.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

NLF. MM ignores durability via attacking an vastly smaller part of someone. 7-C AP against a laughably small part of a 4-A still isn't gonna do jack shit.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Said logic was established here. Hax has limits. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3031859?useskin=oasis

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

well a majority of this is decided by asuras first in character move, before it became clear mario had rad resistance the ray sphere was still able to kill him due to the lack of rad resistance on his profile, asura doesn't resist disease so if he touches mercers gas cloud he still dies. What is asura's first in character move?

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Way to ignore half the reasoning dude. Cole still had matter hax which got noped by the AP gap. Same happens here.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Does Asura's resistance to cosmic radiation help if the virus was to hypothetically work?

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

no radiation works by an entierly different mechanism. Im gonna check on this cause that seems like faulty reasoing

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

By the way this disagrees with the reasoning on that thread. (Sorry death went to bambu's wall to ask and you were already their )

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

So the whole argument that cole couldn't effect mario is bunk from what I can tell....

 

[The_Wright_Way]

That example is High 6-A vs 5-B. Completely different gap.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Well death asked for futher clarification but I doubt the answer changes, hax don't have limits related to ap, its why they are so irritating. Hax don't care about ap diffrences, its all about resistance.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

To an extent. With mind hax and soul hax, sure. With matter hax, that only goes so far. If the atoms stay together fine when hit by 4-A attacks, no 7-C hit, no matter how precise, will do anything. Attacking the atoms doesn't change that.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Atoms are trillions of times weaker than the person they make. That's why attacking them ignores durability. That doesn't mean anything when the AP gap is trillions of times bigger then the gap between Asura and his atoms.

 

[Hizack123]

Asura Stare

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

We'll see what bambu says but again doubt, there are cases of there are cases of wall levels beating universe levels and building buster beating solar system busters....hell theses were stomps, Hax is hax but as I said lets see if bambu can enlighten us further

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Neither of those involved matter hax, so false equivalency. Not all hax is equal dude.

 

[Planck69]

Atoms are trillions of times weaker than the person they make. That's why attacking them ignores durability. That doesn't mean anything when the AP gap is trillions of times bigger then the gap between Asura and his atoms.

Sorry what? If you actually saw a thread were hax were overcome by a finite AP difference then something was definitely wrong with it. Unless you're a higher dimensionality or if the hax of an opponent are still dependent on durability being somewhat comparable (which isn't the case with biological hax), the character would still be affected.

I'm not so sure about the strength of his matter-hax but if they're shown to completely ignore durability then they'll work with Asura. It's not as though he can't simply gas him.

 

[Hizack123]

There is a 3 type of haxx

1: haxx(Normal haxx, some even have weakness)

2:BS HAXX(No weakness however the user can still stop)

3LOT DEVICE BS!(No weakness. You already lose when you thinking of fight this mofo)

Alex doesn't have type 2 left alone type 3.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Wright, ap doesn't beat hax, we'll see what bambu says but the arguments in that thread that focused on his hax seemed rather poor. Maybe Im wrong, maybe I don't understand but so far nothing Ive heard suggest that dura actually beats hax....

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Sorry what? If you actually saw a thread were hax were overcome by a finite AP difference then something was definitely wrong with it. Unless you're a higher dimensionality or if the hax of an opponent are still dependent on durability being somewhat comparable (which isn't the case with biological hax), the character would still be affected.

I'm not so sure about the strength of his matter-hax but if they're shown to completely ignore durability then they'll work with Asura. It's not as though he can't simply gas him.

Stop worshipping hax and debunk my reasons why it won't work then. Hax is hax only goes so far. I've given my argument, now it's your turn to debunk it.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

My debunk is wating for a staff to explain how they treat hax

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Wright, ap doesn't beat hax, we'll see what bambu says but the arguments in that thread that focused on his hax seemed rather poor. Maybe Im wrong, maybe I don't understand but so far nothing Ive heard suggest that dura actually beats hax....

I'll say again. Atoms are trillions of times weaker then the person the come together to make. This gap is insanely smaller than the AP gap in this thread. Hense, matter hax won't work. Hax is hax only goes so far.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

We'll see Ive asked him if a 6-c can matter hax a high 4c

 

[Hizack123]

Asura have AP and range

Like seriously unless Alex can use his haxx on asura without getting close or get YEET out of existence by one of asura casual range attack. (Pretty in-character for him to thrown range attack before get into close combat)

He can't win this.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

My debunk is wating for a staff to explain how they treat hax

Staff isn't always correct. We don't have to accept a certain argument just because staff said so. It's our job to decide how these things work sometimes, not the staff's. To argue otherwise is simply an appeal to authority fallacy.

 

[Hizack123]

Asura have AP and range
Like seriously unless Alex can use his haxx on asura without getting close or get YEET out of existence by one of asura casual range attack. (Pretty in-character for him to thrown range attack before get into close combat)

He can't win this.

^

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

That sounds accurate enough alex range is only two hundred meters, thats not what Im arguing.

Wright I just don't agree, and if bambu gives the a ok Im gonna keep treating hax as it has been drilled into me, resistance or your screwed. Your argument needs us to assume a characters dura exntends to the atomic level which isn't accepted. Asura is made of biomass, alex has disease hax, asura doesn't resist, if alex can get it off he wins, he wont cause asura out ranges him massively but thats really not the point

 

[Hizack123]

Huh i misunderstood about asura alittle (not 4-A but High 4-C)

Huh still range and AP.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Yeah that may be enough how liable is asura to yeet mercer with range rather then try to punch him?

 

[Planck69]

Staff isn't always correct. We don't have to accept a certain argument just because staff said so. It's our job to decide how these things work sometimes, not the staff's. To argue otherwise is simply an appeal to authority fallacy.

At this point you're the only one denying how hax work. If a hax has certain noticeable weaknesses within its own dimensionality, even against characters without resistances then they're treated as 'limited'. If a character's hax has been shown to be completely effective against characters within its dimensionality without resistances then we look at what the other character can do to counter it.

Of course in certain cases even characters without resistances can deal with hax. But this is only because they have ways around it (robots against mind-hax or ghosts against disease manipulation) or if the ability is too limited against others to be a problem.

In this case, while Asura most likely wins easily it isn't because his AP was so high he no-sold hax from a weaker character. Hax that he has no resistance to.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So, Incon?

Either Alex haxes or Asura yeets

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

I think it might be incon, asuras first move either yeets mercer or drops to infection and asuras unpredictable enough Im not confident in what way he will act

 

[Planck69]

I guess this is an incon.