Asriel's Powers Revision

[Unoriginal_Memes]

This is a revision to clear up the mess that is Asriel's powers and abilities section.

Mistakes:

Transformation is listed twice in this section.

Removals:

Spatial Manipulation. The only thing close to this is the size of the box containing Frisk's SOUL. I don't think this hardly grants him spatial manipulation. To further prove my point Sans used to have spatial manipulation via similar reasons, yet it was removed.

Timeline Erasure (Existence Erasure). There is no implications that he erased the timeline, but rather just used the Hyper Goner to pull the timeline into the HG's mouth. This does not support EE and should be removed.

Reality Warping. Once again, he has no supporting evidence to support why he has this. I have watched the entire Asriel fight over and over again, but have yet to see where the hell he warped reality.

Soul Manipulation. Now this is a bit tricky. I think soul manipulation should be linked on the "of Souls" part on Absorption of Souls. I think that where it states Soul Manipulation should be changed to non-physical interaction instead.

Time Manipulation. I don't really get where this comes from, except Saving and Loading. Even then, Saving and Loading is more like time travel instead of time manipulation. The way I see it, when somebody Saves, they are saving the condition of their body or someone else's (for Photoshop Flowey's case) and when the Load, they turn back to the physical condition they were before.

Additions:

Non-Physical Interaction. For the reasons I brought up in the soul manipulation part. Asriel is able to attack someone's soul as if it were physical through various attacks.

Time Travel. For the reasons I brought up in the time manipulation section.

Timeline Destruction. Whether this should be added or not because it isn't an actual ability, this is more akin to what Asriel does with his Hyper Goner attack.

 

[Jinsye]

>Why does he have resistance to soul manip

Cause literally every other character in Undertale has resistance to soul manip lol. Why's Asriel different

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Why? Even Frisk has it, though all of the monsters can attack their soul. She can dodge theirr attacks but they can still hurt Frisk with it.

 

[Eficiente]

Not sure/not agree on Soul and Time Manipulation, the rest I support it.

 

[Jinsye]

Every character in Undertale can not be brutally murdered by being stabbed in the soul. Which means their soul manip resistance scales to durability.

Asriel's no different.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Every character in Undertale can not be brutally murdered by being stabbed in the soul. Which means their soul manip resistance scales to durability.
Asriel's no different.

Thanks for proving it. I'll remove it then.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

That description of Time Manip sounds like Time Rewinding rather than Time Travel. Just travelling back in time wouldn't reset you to the condition you were in at the moment you travel to.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

That description of Time Manip sounds like Time Rewinding rather than Time Travel. Just travelling back in time wouldn't reset you to the condition you were in at the moment you travel to.

In that case, it should be specified that he can only rewind time.

 

[Idazmi]

>Why does he have resistance to soul manip

Cause literally every other character in Undertale has resistance to soul manip lol. Why's Asriel different

Why do they all have resistance to soul manipulation when that's a specific property of Humans and Determination?

 

[Read_this_post]

Reality warping - I believe reality warping comes from the fact that immense levels of determination like this allows you do change functions in the game and control reality to some extent as shown by photoshop flowey and the amalgamates. However this is more similar to data manipulation which a few characters should have.

Although on a side note, asriel lacks many of the abilities photoshop flowey has despite being a complete version of the latter

Timeline erasure - The true reset involves erasing everything in the game and recreating it which asriel was going to perform including erasing all progress and memories and nuking the game itself. If this qualifies as a form of existence erasure, then i think it should remain

Soul manipulation - Flowey absorbed the souls of everyone and asriel along with every other character attacks the soul directly. They straight up have soul manipulation

Time manipulation - Save and load as shown in the flowey fight and many other instances explicitely affects everyone around them. Along with the fact that asriel was taking control over the timeline

I do agree with removing spatial manip and fixing that mistake.

 

[Antvasima]

You can use the Undertale verse page and the Knowledgeable Members List to find people, especially staff members, to ask to comment here.

 

[Read_this_post]

A long, well thought out explanation.

You can use the Undertale verse page and the Knowledgeable Members List to find people, especially staff members, to ask to comment here.

Antvasempai will notice me one day ;_; (HE NOTICED ME )

Also contacted ricky carl higgins

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I suppose that RTP seemed to make sense in his evaluation.

 

[Andytrenom]

Disagree with removing Time Manipulation, iirc SAVE and LOAD was stated by Flowey to be "The power to turn back time"

Also disagree with non physical interaction, attacking someone's soul directly is in fact soul manipulation rather than non physical interaction

Reality Warping I'm neutral on, if Flowey's feats qualify for this then Asriel can keep it

The rest of the corrections I'm fine with, but not any of the new additions.

 

[Antvasima]

Andytrenom is probably correct.

 

[Read_this_post]

@Ant So, if a verse is canonically a game, and somebody manipulated the mechanics of the game, would this just be data manipulation? Or would reality warping be included as well?

 

[Antvasima]

Probably data manipulation, but I am not sure.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

@Ant So, if a verse is canonically a game, and somebody manipulated the mechanics of the game, would this just be data manipulation? Or would reality warping be included as well?

I think it fits better with data manipulation than reality warping.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

The changes approved by Andytrenom can probably be applied.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

The changes approved by Andytrenom can probably be applied.

^

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Bump. Also, someone needs to unlock the profile first.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

It should also probably be stated that he has all of the abilities of Photoshop Flowey.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will unlock the Asriel Dreemurr page. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Read_this_post]

Ive made some of the changes, though a few abilities werent fully discussed

A lot of these changes will require a lot of profiles to be covered as well and can change a lot of things, which is why i am revising the verse as a whole. The changes made to asriel are fine. But some of the undecided stuff on this thread can be put into place later when i look back to it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but you need to do all edits very properly in terms of grammar and structure.

Here are some page that are of help: Common Editing Mistakes, Standard Format for Character Profiles

 

[Read_this_post]

Ive have made the edit to asriels profile. At least the ones that are safely agreed on and wont require a wide variety of profiles to be looked over.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Did you follow the instructions in the pages that I linked to?

 

[Read_this_post]

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[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem then.

 

[Antvasima]

Should I lock the page again?

 

[Read_this_post]

Yeah. Since this thread can be saved for future revisions, you can close this for the time being.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should there be more revisions in this thread, or should we close if as well?

 

[Read_this_post]

I mean, im basically going to do a massive revision covering the whole verse when i get a good time to do it. Ive already got half of what i need. So all of this and more should be covered unless i die a horrible death beforehand

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should I close this thread in the meantime?

 

[Read_this_post]

Sure thing. If something else really needs to be discussed here, andy can always reopen it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.