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Do you mean one for the "Asmodeus is secretly an ancient god-snake called Ahriman" thing? Or the "Asmodeus might be comparable to the Lady and the Serpent" thing?
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Asmodeus (Dungeons and Dragons) profile rewrite
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The former since the latter is mostly speculation
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I wouldn't mind it, but I don't know how different it would be. IIRC, Guide to Hell just states Ahriman is a very strong greater power (in an edition where "Asmodeus" was considered a near power), so I don't know how much different it would actually be from his normal greater god key.
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I think he'd have better regen. As for AP it was implied a bunch that in his primehe was stronger than other Greater Gods since even in his current weakened form he's a Greater power. Plus even a weakened Jarzin is a Greater God. So I was thinking of a similar key to Greater God Vecna, so "At least 2-A".
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I don't have a problem with that.
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I'll write up a quick edit and get your opinion then
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Alright. I'm about to pass out, though. I can give my opinion in the morning (for me) if still needed, and unlock the profile if nobody else does.
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Okay, hope you get a good rest and thanks for all the help. It should be up anyways when you wake up.
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I don't think he qualifies. This is Type 1
Type 1: Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars.
I don't think he fits this parameter. He doesn't exist as an abstraction but embodies one like other Devils.
Type 1: Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars.
I don't think he fits this parameter. He doesn't exist as an abstraction but embodies one like other Devils.
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"Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars."
"devils are abstractions given a semblance of fleshly existence. Though they might appear to be biological creatures composed of flesh, blood, bones, and viscera, they are in fact magical expressions of particular universal concepts etc etc"
Type 2 gives them abilities they don't inherently have- being able to resurrect indefinitely. This isn't like higher/lower levels of abstraction, Type 1 is just the most accurate of what their existence provides.
"devils are abstractions given a semblance of fleshly existence. Though they might appear to be biological creatures composed of flesh, blood, bones, and viscera, they are in fact magical expressions of particular universal concepts etc etc"
Type 2 gives them abilities they don't inherently have- being able to resurrect indefinitely. This isn't like higher/lower levels of abstraction, Type 1 is just the most accurate of what their existence provides.
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I agree with type 1 abstract existence.
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Wouldn't they be closer to type 3 then?
> Type 3: Embodies an abstraction, but the destruction of the former isn't needed in order to destroy or affect them. These characters do not rely on the abstraction to survive, but thanks to their affinity with it, they are able to manipulate it.
They embody it, Lawful Evil doesn't need to be destroyed to effect them, and they can manipulate it via divine powers (as said in the second Fiendish Codex)
> Type 3: Embodies an abstraction, but the destruction of the former isn't needed in order to destroy or affect them. These characters do not rely on the abstraction to survive, but thanks to their affinity with it, they are able to manipulate it.
They embody it, Lawful Evil doesn't need to be destroyed to effect them, and they can manipulate it via divine powers (as said in the second Fiendish Codex)
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Type 3 denotes the ability to alter the thing they are an abstraction of- a Devil cannot alter the concept of Lawful Evil. Type 1 does not to my knowledge require destruction of the thing you are an abstraction of, just an ability to affect abstracts.
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Hmmm. Yeah I guess you're right. I'll edit both sections with the abstract then.
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It states that they are the abstraction rather than just embodying it.
The second sentence denotes with "magical expressions" that those are simply avatars.
The second sentence denotes with "magical expressions" that those are simply avatars.
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Bump I guess
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Bump^3.
I guess for this does the serpent key look good? Assuming there's no mistakes I can ask another mod to check it out and unlock the profile.
I guess for this does the serpent key look good? Assuming there's no mistakes I can ask another mod to check it out and unlock the profile.
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Serpent key is the one backstory where he created the multiverse with the other giant flying snake thing.
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Bump
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Pmub
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Actually shouldn't we add lifting strength for the various Gods (or at least their avatars)? They have strength scores. Asmodeus would be Class 10 if we do.
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Well if you think the serpent key is okay, I guess I can ask another mod to look over it and open the page.
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Okay I talked to another mod and they accepted the change. So this thread can be closed.
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