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do you have proof its not? its the same light when asriel gave the monster souls back,
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Asgore Dreemurr vs Sans
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So? A flash of light happening doesn't mean something was a dream, and if it was, make a CRT.BattleReviews said:
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it wont change the fact its still 2-B, and asriel 2-A, so i wont do it,Holyhotsauce said:
also because it wont really matter because its likel already accepted as a dream, unless you dont know that
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"Sans > Omega Flowey"
What?
You know they never fought in canon, right?
Flowey himself said he never got the humans souls before.
"also because it wont really matter because its likel already accepted as a dream, unless you dont know that"
Where are you getting that from?
Asriel battle is not a dream or else the barrier would still exist and Frisk wouldn't have "Last Dream" in they inventory.
Also guys, stop derailing the thread.
What?
You know they never fought in canon, right?
Flowey himself said he never got the humans souls before.
"also because it wont really matter because its likel already accepted as a dream, unless you dont know that"
Where are you getting that from?
Asriel battle is not a dream or else the barrier would still exist and Frisk wouldn't have "Last Dream" in they inventory.
Also guys, stop derailing the thread.
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item saying Last dream =/= actual dream
maybe it was opened after the dream?
and about the second last one, this wiki, because canons,
maybe it was opened after the dream?
and about the second last one, this wiki, because canons,
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Dude just stop derailing already.
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it already derailed so... why not?
Derailed + Derailing = Derailed
Derailed + Derailing = Derailed
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I still stand by this point.Holyhotsauce said:
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teleportation doesnt need stamina in order to let it work, and i dont think asgore can counter telekinesisDesmiondo said:
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What is your evidence of this? You make a claim and you provided no evidence.Desmiondo said:
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Dodging multiples fireballs from multiples directions. >>> Dodging a knife swipe
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cant sans just move out the way, just like what he did to the knife, how about behind asgore, or somewhere safeAnonimoe7875 said:
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The fireballs doesn't come from only one direction like the knife.
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Everyone needs to calm down.
First of all, we don't even know if KR will work since the entire premise behind the attack is that it damages your soul based on how corrupt it is. While Asgore has made some morally dubious decisions before (such as killing the fallen humans), there's no guarantee that Sans' KR would kick in and do damage since Asgore is definitely less corrupt/evil than Chara.
Next, Sans has poor Stamina. It's established in the game that he's incredibly lazy, and thus not used to fighting or exerting himself. Sans goes down after just 2 dozen attacks in the game. Asgore would be launching hundreds of attacks every single turn that Sans would have to be dodging.
Also the HP gap between Chara and Asgore is immense. Asgore has 3,500 hp, while Chara's health in the final battle at LV 19 is only 474 at the absolute best if you use all your items. Compounding this is that Chara's DF is only 14, while Asgore's is 80, so there's a distinct possibility that Sans' attacks literally wouldn't hurt Asgore at all.
Essentially, a lot of things have to go right for Sans (KR has to work and attacks have to be able to hurt Asgore), just for him to have a chance. Of course even if these 2 things do hold, Sans is still in for a long and miserable grind where he will have to whither down Asgore's HP all while dodging hundreds if not thousands of attacks.
I would say objectively 99 times out of 100 Asgore wins. Sans may get lucky once in a blue moon but Asgore is stronger. Sans was simply the perfect opponent against Chara because of his dodging/teleportation and KR, but other than that he's really nothing special.
First of all, we don't even know if KR will work since the entire premise behind the attack is that it damages your soul based on how corrupt it is. While Asgore has made some morally dubious decisions before (such as killing the fallen humans), there's no guarantee that Sans' KR would kick in and do damage since Asgore is definitely less corrupt/evil than Chara.
Next, Sans has poor Stamina. It's established in the game that he's incredibly lazy, and thus not used to fighting or exerting himself. Sans goes down after just 2 dozen attacks in the game. Asgore would be launching hundreds of attacks every single turn that Sans would have to be dodging.
Also the HP gap between Chara and Asgore is immense. Asgore has 3,500 hp, while Chara's health in the final battle at LV 19 is only 474 at the absolute best if you use all your items. Compounding this is that Chara's DF is only 14, while Asgore's is 80, so there's a distinct possibility that Sans' attacks literally wouldn't hurt Asgore at all.
Essentially, a lot of things have to go right for Sans (KR has to work and attacks have to be able to hurt Asgore), just for him to have a chance. Of course even if these 2 things do hold, Sans is still in for a long and miserable grind where he will have to whither down Asgore's HP all while dodging hundreds if not thousands of attacks.
I would say objectively 99 times out of 100 Asgore wins. Sans may get lucky once in a blue moon but Asgore is stronger. Sans was simply the perfect opponent against Chara because of his dodging/teleportation and KR, but other than that he's really nothing special.
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"First of all, we don't even know if KR will work since the entire premise behind the attack is that it damages your soul based on how corrupt it is."
Nothing in the game said that.
"Also the HP gap between Chara and Asgore is immense. Compounding this is that Chara's DF is only 14, while Asgore's is 80, so there's a distinct possibility that Sans' attacks literally wouldn't hurt Asgore at all."
HP is game mechanic, Sans ignores durability.
Nothing in the game said that.
"Also the HP gap between Chara and Asgore is immense. Compounding this is that Chara's DF is only 14, while Asgore's is 80, so there's a distinct possibility that Sans' attacks literally wouldn't hurt Asgore at all."
HP is game mechanic, Sans ignores durability.
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Firsk/Chara also takes hits at they soul, so no it doesn't.
Asgore get his durability from having far higher stats than people like Undyne.
Asgore get his durability from having far higher stats than people like Undyne.
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teleportation doesnt need stamina in order to let it work, and i dont think asgore can counter telekinesis
Sans still needs to dodge the attack's unless he teleports in and out of the building.Since Asgores fire balls can cover a large area. Telekinesis is going to be hard for sans too since you know Wieght of a 7 year old child vs weight of a giant goat in full armor.
Sans still needs to dodge the attack's unless he teleports in and out of the building.Since Asgores fire balls can cover a large area. Telekinesis is going to be hard for sans too since you know Wieght of a 7 year old child vs weight of a giant goat in full armor.
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1. No read his profile then read Asgores they can ignore durability to an extent since they attack souls directly if it attacks physically then how would sans have any wins. The only thing he has that ignores Asgores durability is KARMA.Anonimoe7875 said:
2. This is from Undynes profile at least Town level, likely far higher (Her defense value of 20 should provide an immense boost to her natural defenses) since Asgore has higher health or higher natural defenses that would makes him easily have enough health to outlast sans KARMA.
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Exactly, I am talking about KARMA.
That because we don't scale DEF like we do with ATK.
Think of that like this.
ATK = Power Level.
DEF = Boost to someone durability (Which again has nothing to do with HP)
That because we don't scale DEF like we do with ATK.
Think of that like this.
ATK = Power Level.
DEF = Boost to someone durability (Which again has nothing to do with HP)
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yes, it was a knife, but it was an immeasurable one, can i pretty sure with the slow pacing fireballs, i think sans got enough room to dodge
aka teleport
aka teleport
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There is an implication by some people that dodging the knife equals dodging fireballs. Even if this anecdotal, I think we can all agree, Asgore's attacks weren't very fast or hard to dodge, so Frisk at her best could easily dodge his attacks. It's also known that Sans is immensely faster than Frisk. Because all of that is true, we can determine that dodging Frisk's knife, which is a lot faster than Asgore's attacks, is significantly harder than dodging fireballs.
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Considering sans is bloodlusted and asgore is well..... asgore, its safe to say that sans will just go for the kill right away, and not hesitate. Asgore being asgore would not even take things seriously, and considering sans' attacks are WAY harder to dodge compared to asgores, I'm gonna have to give it to sans.
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I'm confused. If Asgore was bloodlusted, why wouldn't he take things seriously? I agree with your verdict, but some of your reasoning doesn't make a lot of sense.Bombzilla said:
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THANK YOU HESUS
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Where does it say that? It's probably included in the phrase SBA which I don't understand.
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State of mind: In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't.DunkleSans628 said:
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Sans FRA
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so we assume he is bloodlusted, as he is bloodlusted in character, asgore is NOT bloodlusted in character while fightingBombzilla said:
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If I can hakai this thread I would do it
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Any evidence at all? He's fought once. You can't make assumptions off of that one fight. Regardless, I vote Sans FRABombzilla said:
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What are the current votes?
