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Asgore Dreemurr (Undertale) vs Kai (Ninjago) [1-5-8] (GRACE ENDED)

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I took a look at his notable attacks and he seems to be starting with this
  • Fire Magic: Similar to Toriel, Asgore is a master of fire magic, using it for numerous techniques. These include calling down undulating waves of fire, creating enormous, inescapable walls of fire, circles of fireballs which close in on his opponent, creating large trails of fireballs which track the enemy, and releasing massive bursts of dozens upon dozens of fireballs which are immensely difficult to dodge.

What's the range of his attacks?
 
Tens of Meters
A horrible faith would await Kai if he dies


 
Man, the fire ninja lacks any heat/fire resistence? lol

anyway, so It's the heat of asgore attacks the wincon right? beacuse don't only UT soul attacks don't one shoot but souls/ghosts in nijago can tank attacks from the ninjas as far as I remenber so Kai soul would just tank the soul damage
 
If he can do that, then it wouldn't be a stomp cuz it would straight be an one tap move for Asgore
Couldn't Kai just spinjutsu to block the fire? also the attack don't seen to target the oponent directly sinse the middle of the attack is a small rain of fire that is supposed to make the oponent dodge It to the sides where the fire jeiser comes from

I think Kai can just block the fire with spinjutsu
 
Couldn't Kai just spinjutsu to block the fire? also the attack don't seen to target the oponent directly sinse the middle of the attack is a small rain of fire that is supposed to make the oponent dodge It to the sides where the fire jeiser comes from

I think Kai can just block the fire with spinjutsu
He can't use it infinitely either which is why he'll eventually need to stop to catch his breath
 
Couldn't Kai just spinjutsu to block the fire? also the attack don't seen to target the oponent directly sinse the middle of the attack is a small rain of fire that is supposed to make the oponent dodge It to the sides where the fire jeiser comes from

I think Kai can just block the fire with spinjutsu
Isn't that just a case of "X can use his wincoins faster than Y" like in the Wanda vs Kai thread?
 
Isn't that just a case of "X can use his wincoins faster than Y" like in the Wanda vs Kai thread?
I don't think asgore has a single attack Kai can't just spinjutsu to block It, even this "surprise attack" don't target the oponent directly but around where the atttack start, unless we consider It to be game mechanics and Asgore can just summon this jeiser of fire wherenever he wants Kai would just spinjutsu block or get out of the area of attack before the jeiser of fire hit him

My vote is to stomp
 
I don't think asgore has a single attack Kai can't just spinjutsu to block It, even this "surprise attack" don't target the oponent directly but around where the atttack start,
Spinjitzu eventually drains you. If he keeps spamming, he'll just hit Kai when he gets out of it
unless we consider It to be game mechanics and Asgore can just summon this jeiser of fire wherenever he wants Kai would just spinjutsu block or get out of the area of attack before the jeiser of fire hit him
For Kai to do that, he would have to be faster than Asgore since the begining, which he isn't, I don't see why off-guards won't work either
 
Spinjitzu eventually drains you. If he keeps spamming, he'll just hit Kai when he gets out of it
He outskill asgore, he just need to spinjutsu and go in a straight line to asgore sinse he don't even try to dodge when fighting humans... unless that is game mechanics but sans fight seen to imply otherwise
For Kai to do that, he would have to be faster than Asgore since the begining, which he isn't, I don't see why off-guards won't work either
As I said the attack isn't just the geiser of fire, It's a dodgeble slow rain of fire that if the oponent try to dodge too the sides a geiser of fire can appear from bellow and up, this gives Kai more then enough time to just move out of the area where the attack is being helded, there is a bunch of proof that implies monsters have to follow this attack patters with sans saying "never understood why people don't use their best attack first" and papyrus having his special attack
 
beacuse don't only UT soul attacks don't one shoot but souls/ghosts in nijago can tank attacks from the ninjas as far as I remenber so Kai soul would just tank the soul damage
Soul based attacks would still hurt Kai as a living being

For Kai to do that, he would have to be faster than Asgore since the begining, which he isn't, I don't see why off-guards won't work either
He outskill asgore, he just need to spinjutsu and go in a straight line to asgore sinse he don't even try to dodge when fighting humans... unless that is game mechanics but sans fight seen to imply otherwise
Asgore has soul based attacks which Kai has no resistance to whatsoever. I'll just make him bloodlusted

As I said the attack isn't just the geiser of fire, It's a dodgeble slow rain of fire that if the oponent try to dodge too the sides a geiser of fire can appear from bellow and up,
Wouldn't that just one tap the Fire Ninja?
this gives Kai more then enough time to just move out of the area where the attack is being helded, there is a bunch of proof that implies monsters have to follow this attack patters with sans saying "never understood why people don't use their best attack first" and papyrus having his special attack
Isn't that Game Mechanics?
 
Soul based attacks would still hurt Kai as a living being
No, his soul has star level durability as I stated above, there will be no soul damage lol
Asgore has soul based attacks which Kai has no resistance to whatsoever
Yea, asgore soul attacks are based on "I can funking attack your soul like It is your body" only effective against characters that their soul has no durability feats
Wouldn't that just one tap the Fire Ninja?
If It hits that will most likely not hit
Isn't that Game Mechanics?
Debatable, but as I mentioned we have 2 statments that imply to not be game mechanics
 
Yea, asgore soul attacks are based on "I can funking attack your soul like It is your body" only effective against characters that their soul has no durability feats
Hum... I guess Kai soul has no heat resistence feats so maybe the burning the soul may one shoot? not sure if that's how It would work
 
No, his soul has star level durability as I stated above, there will be no soul damage lol
Bypassing the body to harm the soul would be dura neg and would affect him
If It hits that will most likely not hit

Debatable, but as I mentioned we have 2 statments that imply to not be game mechanics
I made Asgore bloodlusted so there's no playing around from him
 
YES, BUT THE SOUL HAS DURABILITY FEATS, SO THE SOUL JUST TANK WITHOUT TAKING DAMAGE, what is hard of this to understand?
Sorry, I'm being rude, let me try to explain better

Why monsters ignore conventional durability? beacuse their attacks target the soul

Why frisk don't take the same amount of damge ever time then? beacuse he can equip armour that makes his soul more durable

Monsters attacking the soul bypass body durability, most verses have no soul durability feats, but monster attacks still work on durability for the soul

So having a soul with a higher Dura then the monster Ap means the soul can tank more attacks like a normal attack would affect the body

does this make sense?
 
His Soul doesn't resist the heat. He would still die
Okay, now that's a argument, I have no idea how heat would interact with the soul so let's assume his soul would be one shooted by the heat, that's fair
Yeah but it would also mean he can dodge
Oh, okay didn't think about that, still think this don't matter much, Kai has a much better stamina feat so even if asgore drags the fight on to eventually get a hit on Kai he will tire much quiker then Kai will, and as said before, kai can just block and dodge Asgore Danmaku with spinjutsu

still think this a stomp, but a debatable stomp if this make sense
 
Sorry, I'm being rude, let me try to explain better

Why monsters ignore conventional durability? beacuse their attacks target the soul

Why frisk don't take the same amount of damge ever time then? beacuse he can equip armour that makes his soul more durable

Monsters attacking the soul bypass body durability, most verses have no soul durability feats, but monster attacks still work on durability for the soul

So having a soul with a higher Dura then the monster Ap means the soul can tank more attacks like a normal attack would affect the body

does this make sense?
I get that, but I was saying that the heat produced by the attack (9000°F) would be harmful to Kai even if he could take the blow. So the only way for Kai to actually win this is throught AP, while Asgore can just keep spamming attacks until Kai tires out
 
Asgore can just keep spamming attacks until Kai tires out
Yea, but Kai has a much better stamina feat (days walking in the desert without rest or water or food) when compared to asgore that just keept up with frisk untill he was too hurted to keep fighting so dragging the fight untill Kai is to tired to keep fighting will not be a option
 
Yea, but Kai has a much better stamina feat (days walking in the desert without rest or water or food) when compared to asgore that just keept up with frisk untill he was too hurted to keep fighting so dragging the fight untill Kai is to tired to keep fighting will not be a option
Didn't Asgore fought a war for years? Also, Kai will tire out from Spinjitzu much faster than his normal self, which is why he can't only rely on it and will be forced to attack with his fire blasts
 
FTL with FTL reactions, higher with Spinjitzu, even higher with the Rising Dragon Technique
Is Kai FTL combat speed equal to his other speed stats? beacuse you know, when equalizing speed we equalize the combat speed to the speed of the slower character and change the other speed stats by the same multiplier
(If a character has 10 in combat speed and 20 in everything else, if fighting a oponent with 5 speed he would have 5 in combat speed and 10 in every other speed stat)

and even if Kai speed is equal all around he can become faster then asgore with Rising Dragon Technique
Didn't Asgore fought a war for years? Also, Kai will tire out from Spinjitzu much faster than his normal self, which is why he can't only rely on it and will be forced to attack with his fire blasts
He can also just dodge without using spinjutsu, also asgore only skill feat is fighting a war and outskilling a young Undyne while Kai has a lot more combat feats so I still would give Kai the skill advantage, maybe even the experience adavantage beacuse even trough asgore is much older he didn't keept fighting most of his life so he technically has less combat experience possible
 
Is Kai FTL combat speed equal to his other speed stats? beacuse you know, when equalizing speed we equalize the combat speed to the speed of the slower character and change the other speed stats by the same multiplier
(If a character has 10 in combat speed and 20 in everything else, if fighting a oponent with 5 speed he would have 5 in combat speed and 10 in every other speed stat)
His reactions/combat scales to the same feat yeah
and even if Kai speed is equal all around he can become faster then asgore with Rising Dragon Technique
yeah

He can also just dodge without using spinjutsu,
Yes, but he would no longer have a speed advantage without it
also asgore only skill feat is fighting a war and outskilling a young Undyne while Kai has a lot more combat feats so I still would give Kai the skill advantage, maybe even the experience adavantage beacuse even trough asgore is much older he didn't keept fighting most of his life so he technically has less combat experience possible
How skilled is Undyne?
 
Yes, but he would no longer have a speed advantage without it
Speed equalized means It wouldn't be that hard, I guess he would be more vulnerable to the other Danmaku attacks from asgore... do we have any evidence of Kai dodging Danmaku?

Also, If he has the speed adavante while spinjutsu asgore will not have a easy time dodging Kai attacks, what makes even easier for Asgore to just get hit before doing anything meaningfull
How skilled is Undyne?
Young Undyne is not nerly as skilled as the undyne we see in game sinse she was still traning so It's irrelevant

also, sinse we are having so much debate I don't think this is a stomp anymore, voting Kai low dif
 
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