Asbtact Existance Type 1 For Yogiri Takatou

[Van_Npc]

Hi, although the Asbtact Existance Type 1 for Yogiri Takatou True Form The End should already be in her profile. However, there are no feats for it in the profile, so I want to add the feats for The End.

This thread starts with Kooryu's statement about the 'importance' of the End's existence;

In volume 14,where he says that the End is more important than Mitsuki, who in fact rebuilds the entire world (if Mitsuki dies, the entire world known as Ultimate Ensemble will be destroyed). Here we are told that the End defines the world.

Celestial Foundation is a Cosmology in Fujitaka verse which is a Conceptual. The Ultimate Ensemble is the totality of existence, the collectivity of all worlds, Encompased The Higher Universe/Sea Of Star, The Sea, Celestial.

Which makes at least Yogiri Takatou's True Form, The End, get Abstract Existance Type 1 because it defines an Ultimate Esemble that has Conceptual in it, namely in the Celestial Foundation.

Agree:
Disagree:
Netral:

 

[SweetDao]

In volume 14,where he says that the End is more important than Mitsuki, who in fact rebuilds the entire world (if Mitsuki dies, the entire world known as Ultimate Ensemble will be destroyed). Here we are told that the End defines the world.

Firstly, Mitsuki doesn't dream of the Ultimate Ensemble World, only his Celestial Foundation as we've said countless time.

Secondly, Yogiri being "more important" than Mitsuki doesn't grant him AE. His job is to regulate the UEW.

Celestial Foundation is a Cosmology in Fujitaka verse which is a Conceptual. The Ultimate Ensemble is the totality of existence, the collectivity of all worlds, Encompased The Higher Universe/Sea Of Star, The Sea, Celestial.

Celestial foundations being conceptual serves no purpose here.

Yeah, the Ultimate Ensemble encompasses everything, but that's it.

He should probably have AE, yeah, but only thanks to the last volume (15). I'm unsure if we can use stuff happening in this volume since it's not officially translated, though.

 

[SweetDao]

Also, I just checked Yogiri's profile, and he already has AE type 1, so that thread isn't useful except if you want to add a reasoning to it. If not, we should remove it since it has currently no justification.

 

[Van_Npc]

Pertama, Mitsuki tidak memimpikan Ultimate Ensemble World, hanya Celestial Foundation miliknya seperti yang telah kami katakan berkali-kali.

Ya, My Bad. Because it was the feats a few weeks ago that were sought after.

Fondasi surgawi yang bersifat konseptual tidak ada gunanya di sini.

Why? Isn't that proof that it is Conceptual?

 

[Van_Npc]

Also, I just checked Yogiri's profile, and he already has AE type 1, so that thread isn't useful except if you want to add a reasoning to it. If not, we should remove it since it has currently no justification.

That's why I want to try adding Feats/Reasons for that.

 

[SweetDao]

Why? Isn't that proof that it is Conceptual?

Yeah, Celestial Foundations are supposedly conceptual, but then what? Why would that give Yogiri AE? Those two ideas doesn't correlate to one another.

 

[Van_Npc]

Yeah, Celestial Foundations are supposedly conceptual, but then what? Why would that give Yogiri AE? Those two ideas doesn't correlate to one another.

Yogiri Takatou True Form defines the Ultimate Essence and there is a Heavenly Record in it which is Conceptual.

Defining the Ultimate Essence is one of them. And it include Heavenly Record which has a Conceptual that is Abstract.

 

[SweetDao]

Yogiri Takatou True Form defines the Ultimate Essence and there is a Heavenly Record in it which is Conceptual.

It "defines" it because he regulates it.

Defining the Ultimate Essence is one of them. And it include Heavenly Record which has a Conceptual that is Abstract.

Which doesn't give anything, since I can regulate something without being that something.

 

[Van_Npc]

It "defines" it because he regulates it.

Can you provide evidence that she is defined by her control? I forgot about that so I want the proof.

 

[SweetDao]

Can you provide evidence that she is defined by her control? I forgot about that so I want the proof.

Here and here.

 

[Van_Npc]

Here and here.

I think it will still get Abstract Existance Type 1.

Since the first one refers to Existance, The first evidence you presented

existence. Just as I am me and you are you, "that" is "that." It has existed since before I came into being, perhaps from the very beginning of the "world." It's one of the rules that make up the "world" and it is an existence that defines the "world." It signifies the limits of the "world," the end, and acts as a stopper.

In the verse vs battle wiki on the Abstract Existance page, what is certain is that their existence is Abstract.

Abstract Existence is the ability to embody an abstraction, such as a concept, thought, or information, and being immortal thanks to it. This power has a variety of uses, ranging from a high degree of control over the abstraction and its manifestations, the aforementioned immortality, or even being unaffected by abilities that can't target the abstraction.

And controlling it is also proof for Abstract Existance.

"If you died, the world would end. If you hadn't told him that, maybe things wouldn't have turned out this way. Well, actually, I'm not sure about that either. Putting it the other way around, since Yogiri Takatou is a being that regulates the Ensemble World, it would be a big problem if that person died."

According to the Abstract Existance page, it is also explained that Abstract Existance can at least control the Abstraction.

Embodying a concept is not enough to obtain this ability, an abstract needs feats or reliable statements proving that the concept they represent grants them Immortality/Regeneration or control over the abstraction.

I think this qualifies for Yogiri Takatou True Form.

 

[SweetDao]

Since the first one refers to Existance, The first evidence you presented

That it regulate existence or not wouldn't give AE. The only thing that can warrant an AE in the scans I've shown is the fact he's stated to be a "rule". If we assume it is literal, it would mean his true form is a "rule" of the UEW.

I think this qualifies for Yogiri Takatou True Form.

I told you, if we can use volume 15, yeah, he should probably have AE, but since it's not an official translation, I'm unsure if we can use it. If staff comes and say it's fine, then it would probably be okay.

 

[Van_Npc]

That it regulate existence or not wouldn't give AE. The only thing that can warrant an AE in the scans I've shown is the fact he's stated to be a "rule". If we assume it is literal, it would mean his true form is a "rule" of the UEW.

I told you, if we can use volume 15, yeah, he should probably have AE, but since it's not an official translation, I'm unsure if we can use it. If staff comes and say it's fine, then it would probably be okay.

Allright