Arrowverse CRT: Cosmology Upgrade H1B

[ReverseFlashIsSoNice]

There are an infinite number of universes / worlds that exist with an infinite number of crisis that have occured [1][2][3][4]

This suggests a greater multiverse comprised of infinite 'multiverses', as obviously the Crisis in the show is talking about infinite universes [1] so for it to talk of an infinite number of crisis, this would likely suggest infinite more multiverses.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/arrowverse-crt-the-multiverse-and-the-universe-upgrade.172458/

Every existence multiplied by possibility. And spread out before space and time in infinite measure.

Supergirl 5x9 - "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part One"

I'm also picking up temporal energy readings. His mind has broken past the barrier. It's not just a new timeline he's found. It's billions of them. And Barry's mind is experiencing them all.

BARRY: I saw Billions of possible futures. Billions of deaths. All their pain, their suffering. And then they were gone. I felt all of it. Now I know The Monitor was right. I have to die. I need to go home.

The Flash 6x2 - "A Flash of the Lightning"

Now as we see here Barry is clearly describing 'timelines' as possible futures, which is exactly what they are. For every choice you make, another outcome is made, which is a timeline.

So far we have infinite timelines existing in each reality, comprising one multiverse. Then, we have infinite possible multiverses. And as we know, timeline changes can occur within alternative timelines (Barry reversing Flashpoint was done within Flashpoint's timeline. He just altered the way it affected the future.), meaning that these can go on forever for the amount of timelines that can exist, every possible state the universes can have would be reached. In addition, multiverses can be created due to time travel, meaning that infinite possible multiverses can split into infinite more, and this can occur forever. This means that we have recursion where each universe creates infinite timelines which also can create timelines, extending forever, causing all possible worlds to exist.

Now, I do not know for sure where this scales, High 1-B possibly? Considering this would have every possible reality realized and there are infinite of those, along with the fact that these branch off (for lack of better words) forever, this would look like High 1-B.

High 1-B: High Hyperverse level​

Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy infinite-dimensional space. Characters who can meddle with spaces with uncountably infinite or above dimensions should have a "+" modifier in their Attack Potency section (High Hyperverse level+).

Fairly new to this, tips would be helpful. Overall though, this would contribute to the cosmology regardless if it is H1B.

 

[Robo432343]

this is 2-A, not High 1-B
or very very high into 2-A

 

[ReverseFlashIsSoNice]

this is 2-A, not High 1-B
or very very high into 2-A

How come?

 

[Robo432343]

because these are infinite universes, not infinite spatial dimensions

 

[ByArrow]

This is not H1B. These are timelines and universes, not higher infinite spatial dimensions. I disagree

 

[Yokoahh5743]

This is 2-A not H1-B infinite timeline and universe are basic for 2-A, H1-B is infinite spatial dimensions. I Disagree

 

[Secimatar]

Now as we see here Barry is clearly describing 'timelines' as possible futures, which is exactly what they are. For every choice you make, another outcome is made, which is a timeline.

The verse is atleast 2-A but as this obeys the baby universe theory (which is almost like MWI) I can see a potential Low 1-C here.

 

[ByArrow]

The verse is atleast 2-A but as this obeys the baby universe theory (which is almost like MWI) I can see a potential Low 1-C here.

The verse is not at least 2-A but High 1-C, and the multiverse is already Low 1-C.

 

[ReverseFlashIsSoNice]

The verse is atleast 2-A but as this obeys the baby universe theory (which is almost like MWI) I can see a potential Low 1-C here.

MWI exists from what I can recall though [1][2][3]

 

[ReverseFlashIsSoNice]

This is not H1B. These are timelines and universes, not higher infinite spatial dimensions. I disagree

I am pretty sure I got this mixed up in a way. I thought it like this:

Each timeline would be causally linked to its children. If you erase an entire universe or timeline from existence, all the timelines and universes that came arise due to it would also fall because they require a specific moment to exist (Any choice makes an alternative, erase that choice then you erase the alternative). Destroying a universe would destroy all of its timelines for the same reason. Now, if each choice could branch off into infinitely more timelines, and you destroyed a timeline, then infinite timelines would also fall, they are causally superior or dependant to one another.

If you destroy A, B gets destroyed, destroying C, all the way down the line to infinity.

This was why I thought it was H1B, its destroying infinite possible constructs that are superior or at least causally above one another.

I don't see what made it wrong, but I know something made it wrong.

 

[ByArrow]

Universes and timelines have no Superiority over each other.

 

[ReverseFlashIsSoNice]

Universes and timelines have no Superiority over each other.

They are causally superior is what I mean.

If you destroy a universe, you destroy all of its timelines. Each timeline would branch off to make more, so those go away too, if you destroy a singular timeline then all the branches of that timeline go also. They are causally connected, so the highest would obviously be superior to others because if you affect it by destroying it then you destroy all of them.

Pretty sure this is the plot of 2x23, Zoom says that Earth 1 is at the center of the multiverse and has access to all other points, and thats why hes using the magnetar there. Earth-1 is basically the main Earth, every other Earth is another version of it in some way. To destroy Earth-1's space-time entirely means that you'd be effectively destroying all copies too.

 

[ByArrow]

They are causally superior is what I mean.

If you destroy a universe, you destroy all of its timelines.

Yes, that is already accepted.

Each timeline would branch off to make more, so those go away too, if you destroy a singular timeline then all the branches of that timeline go also. They are causally connected, so the highest would obviously be superior to others because if you affect it by destroying it then you destroy all of them.

This is not superiority. And it doesn't work like you think. The reason why Earth 2 was not affected by Flashpoint was that the timelines were not connected. And every time the Speedsters have time-traveled, we've seen that this is not the case.

Pretty sure this is the plot of 2x23, Zoom says that Earth 1 is at the center of the multiverse and has access to all other points, and thats why hes using the magnetar there.

Yes, he says that, but he doesn't say that if you destroy Earth 1, all worlds will be destroyed.

Earth-1 is basically the main Earth, every other Earth is another version of it in some way.

Earth 1 is not the main-earth it is just the first Earth to exist. Other Earths are independent universes formed by the probabilistic multiplication of Earth-1.

To destroy Earth-1's space-time entirely means that you'd be effectively destroying all copies too.

No, no, no. It doesn't mean anything like that. If it did, all worlds would have been destroyed when Barry first time traveled and created a new timeline and destroyed the old one. But it didn't happen because that's not how it works. It's all headcanon. And every Earth has billions, possibly infinitely many, exponentially increasing space-times. Not just one.

 

[ReverseFlashIsSoNice]

Yes, that is already accepted.

This is not superiority. And it doesn't work like you think. The reason why Earth 2 was not affected by Flashpoint was that the timelines were not connected. And every time the Speedsters have time-traveled, we've seen that this is not the case.

Yes, he says that, but he doesn't say that if you destroy Earth 1, all worlds will be destroyed.

Earth 1 is not the main-earth it is just the first Earth to exist. Other Earths are independent universes formed by the probabilistic multiplication of Earth-1.

No, no, no. It doesn't mean anything like that. If it did, all worlds would have been destroyed when Barry first time traveled and created a new timeline and destroyed the old one. But it didn't happen because that's not how it works. It's all headcanon. And every Earth has billions, possibly infinitely many, exponentially increasing space-times. Not just one.

Ah. I see. That's a create explanation. Thanks.

How come that is 2-A/Low 1-C? There is basically an infinite regress between timelines being created, going on forever. I feel like thats would be an equivalent to lets say infinite^infinite universes (Considering each possibility has to be realized and there are infinite possibilities along with infinite existences and this is how the monitor/spectre described how the multiverses are spread) rather than a few stacks of infinite universes (Multiverse is infinite universes, then infinite multiverses, then infinite infinite multiverses, but arrowverse seems to be so on so forth with the way timelines are made) how does that make it Low 1-C/2-A?