Arknights Feranmut Physiology page

[AlipheeseXIV]

This CRT is meant to propose the following physiology page for Feranmuts in Arknights, this will not be added to any existing characters profiles at this time however, it will give the addition of some abilities to Amiya. As a result, this will help generalize abilities for profiles for all the future characters we plan to add (around 20 or so profiles), it will also make it easier for future CRTs when adding additions to abilities. This CRT works in direct conjunction to this CRT, where I briefly went over the existence of Feranmuts to support our current tier of 4-A.

Feranmut Physiology

vsbattles.fandom.com

Look forward to more CRT's of this nature, as we're currently working on the page for Originium.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Agreed here

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

I would argue that Social Influencing should be booted from the page from the simple fact that it is entirely dependent of a specific Feranmut rather than a general ability they all have. Like, Sui and Chongyue, well-respected people in their field, would have it but not a Feranmut like the Lifebone, a talking corpse that was made into several items, for example.

Other than that, I agree.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I would argue that Social Influencing should be booted from the page from the simple fact that it is entirely dependent of a specific Feranmut rather than a general ability they all have. Like, Sui and Chongyue, well-respected people in their field, would have it but not a Feranmut like the Lifebone, a talking corpse that was made into several items, for example.

Other than that, I agree.

Well, even the Lifebone has a reputation just for being a Feranmut. In fact, many Sarkaz warriors who fought during Arc 2 felt that much more confident in Sanguinarch's abilities after knowing this and Sanguinarch's feat of killing the Lifebone and turning it into what it is today made him a legend for like over 6k years so

 

[TegamiBachi25]

agreed even though im not mod

 

[Bummel]

Agree

 

[Dereck03]

Disagree with

• Incorporeality & Abstract Existence (Type 1): Feranmuts are born from the chaotic void and are their own concepts such as Shu being the concept of life. All Feranmuts use avatars to interact with the world as their true selves exist independently from their body.

The Sui siblings themselves are deities, I don't deny that, but they are considered so because of their power and that they are fragments of a greater god. The main god should have those abilities, the scan does not say that Shu is the concept of life, but that she has a power related to what they need. They are not incorporeal or abstract as it has been seen in history that they can be interacted with by others.

• Immortality (Type 9) & Regeneration (High-Godly): Feranmut avatars are biologically immortal, so long as their cores exists they cannot be truly killed. Shu was able to regenerate from the destruction of her body, mind/soul & history.

It doesn't say anything about Shu regenerating, they only talk about Jie's “death”. And the rest all together makes it look like Shu simply disappeared from Terra at that time and for some reason no one remembers her, there is no implication that she died.

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2): Shu governs the concept of Life,

Same as above

• Large Size (Varies from Type 2 to Type 3): Scaling from Lifebone & Sui Xang.

Are they still able to transform in their dragon form? If not this should go.

Non Physical Interaction & Soul Manipulation: All Feranmuts have the ability to interact with the soul due to being incorporeal.

Same case about Incorporeal, also where's soul manip scan here?

• Limited Information Manipulation (Type 2, for their avatars) & Limited Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2): Even after the death of Jie, Chongyue, Wang, Ji, Nian, Ling, Shu & Dusk are capable of remembering her (though it should be noted that Wang and the rest are slowly forgetting about Jie).

Where's the Info 2 here? Also them specifically remembering Jie due to that they are a single being that was fragmented, that makes sense.

• Law Manipulation, Physics Manipulation & Reality Warping: Feranmut magic is referred to as a "reason rejecting" ability, Feranmuts can resist each others abilities to a degree.

This has nothing to do with having the abilities they mention, but being a single being they simply have innate resistance against themselves, it does not mean that another being with a similar ability would not be able to harm them. Although, they are practically the most powerful Lorewise beings so I doubt this.

And to point out, I also disagree with all the abilities in the blog that don't have scans. Also there are no references for any of the skills, Arknights is a game with too many story chapters, so references are necessary.

And remember

 

[BreezeHM]

You're missing scans for some abilities like fusionism, PRM and other abilities.

• Immortality (Types 1, 3, 4, 8 & 9) & Regeneration (High-Godly): Feranmut avatars are biologically immortal, so long as their cores exists they cannot be truly killed. Shu was able to regenerate from the destruction of her body, mind/soul & history.

I don't agree with High-Godly since the regeneration isn't really shown. It's just a scan of her talking which I assume is after she got erased. It lacks context on how she came back, whether she got resurrected, or if she resurrected herself. Also the history portion could also just be memories of her being wiped. I'd say you need more evidence.

• Limited Information Manipulation (Type 2, for their avatars) & Limited Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2): Even after the death of Jie, Chongyue, Wang, Ji, Nian, Ling, Shu & Dusk are capable of remembering her (though it should be noted that Wang and the rest are slowly forgetting about Jie).

I don't see how they're resisting information manipulation or how this is information manipulation in general.

• Avatar Creation, Incorporeality & Abstract Existence (Type 1): Feranmuts are born from the chaotic void and are their own concepts such as Shu being the concept of life. All Feranmuts use avatars to interact with the world as their true selves exist independently from their body.

This doesn't say Shu is the concept of life

 

[GarrixianXD]

I'm going to address all the issues I have with this.

Magic, Physics Manipulation, Reality Warping and Law Manipulation: Feranmuts are able to bend the concept of physics and alter reality using their magic, Feranmuts use abilities completely unrelated to Originium Arts. Feranmut magic is also referred to as "reason rejecting".

The term "reason-rejecting" is very broad and ambiguous, also the details of that ability weren't even specified—it seems too hasty to be Reality Warping/Law Manipulation. And I'm not sure where Physics Manipulation is coming from here.

Immortality (Types 1, 3, 4, 8 & 9) & Regeneration (High-Godly): Feranmut avatars are biologically immortal, so long as their cores exists they cannot be truly killed. Shu was able to regenerate from the destruction of her body, mind/soul & history.

For the first scan, where was regeneration even implied? It just said that she disappeared and never really returned, and didn't even say anything about coming back. I'll be fine with Mid-Godly regeneration if you show something that implies her recovering from getting erased. As for her being erased from history, it just seems that everyone has forgotten her and that doesn't sufficiently imply she is gone from history. And there doesn't seem to be any evidence supporting any of those immortality types.

Life Manipulation, Time Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2): Shu governs the concept of Life, the Lifebone had it's conscious split, resulting in a fragment of its power becoming the lock & key that Mostima has, which allows her to slow down time.

Slowing down time would account for the sub-ability Time Slow instead of Time Manipulation. Also, where was it mentioned that time was being slowed down, or remotely even insinuating it in the scan shown?

BFR, Pocket Reality Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation & Dimensional Travel: Dusk, Ya and the Lifebone all have pocket dimensions they can teleport people into.

No scans.

Animal Manipulation: Ling, Dusk & Ji are capable of creating various animalistic lifeforms.

No scans either.

>Creation: Nian's Ancient Forge ability is to create anything, from conceptual weapons, shields to even entire mobile cities and Feranmut cores.

I don't see how any of these scans support the description given for this ability.

Non Physical Interaction & Soul Manipulation: All Feranmuts have the ability to interact with the soul due to being incorporeal. Scales to Nearl who can interrupt and dispel The Blood Knight's Arts by severing the resonance with her own Arts as Feranmuts are incapable of being rated by Rhodes Island's Originium Arts Assimilation system.

I suppose energy NPI is fine, but I don't see any evidences backing up for souls being interacted or affected.

I pretty much share the same sentiment as Dereck and Breeze here as well. I haven't scrutinise over all the resistances so I won't comment further on those for now.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

snip

snip

snip

First off. Thanks you three. I was working in the background for a bigger post for more stuff I disagree with, but you essentially posted stuff that I agree with.

Although, I do have a few more things to add to the disagree pile;

• Instinctive Action & Bodily Weaponry: The Lifebone's nervous system is able to attack Ines without conscious thought.

The Lifebone, as it is, isn't exactly like the other Feranmuts in account of it being a gigantic skeleton thingy with bits and pieces of flesh remaining on it while the other Feranmuts are regular-sized humanoids; so this has to go methinks.

• Damage Reduction: Sui Xang reduces damage taken.

This only shows up in the boss stat menu for this particular boss. And isn't actually mentioned during said boss fight or in cutscenes either.

• Accelerated Development (Passive; Abilities): Ji had gotten stronger since the last time Nian & Dusk saw him, having apparently worked on his powers.

Basically, Ji, Nian and Dusk likely haven't seen each other for unknown but vast amount of time. Could be decades, centuries or even a millennium. They are immortal and tend to not meet each other for various reasons. So it would stand to reason that much amount of time would allow Ji ample time to grow stronger and work on his powers in a non-accelerated development rate.

 

[Bummel]

For dereck large size issue
sui sibling one could be deleted
But lifebone is an actual giant skeleton,sami being the country itself,and kjera real body is the karlan mountain

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

The Sui siblings themselves are deities, I don't deny that, but they are considered so because of their power and that they are fragments of a greater god. The main god should have those abilities, the scan does not say that Shu is the concept of life, but that she has a power related to what they need. They are not incorporeal or abstract as it has been seen in history that they can be interacted with by others.

• Immortality (Type 9) & Regeneration (High-Godly): Feranmut avatars are biologically immortal, so long as their cores exists they cannot be truly killed. Shu was able to regenerate from the destruction of her body, mind/soul & history.

It doesn't say anything about Shu regenerating, they only talk about Jie's “death”. And the rest all together makes it look like Shu simply disappeared from Terra at that time and for some reason no one remembers her, there is no implication that she died.

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2): Shu governs the concept of Life,

Same as above

• Large Size (Varies from Type 2 to Type 3): Scaling from Lifebone & Sui Xang.

Are they still able to transform in their dragon form? If not this should go.

Non Physical Interaction & Soul Manipulation: All Feranmuts have the ability to interact with the soul due to being incorporeal.

Same case about Incorporeal, also where's soul manip scan here?

• Limited Information Manipulation (Type 2, for their avatars) & Limited Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2): Even after the death of Jie, Chongyue, Wang, Ji, Nian, Ling, Shu & Dusk are capable of remembering her (though it should be noted that Wang and the rest are slowly forgetting about Jie).

Where's the Info 2 here? Also them specifically remembering Jie due to that they are a single being that was fragmented, that makes sense.

• Law Manipulation, Physics Manipulation & Reality Warping: Feranmut magic is referred to as a "reason rejecting" ability, Feranmuts can resist each others abilities to a degree.

This has nothing to do with having the abilities they mention, but being a single being they simply have innate resistance against themselves, it does not mean that another being with a similar ability would not be able to harm them. Although, they are practically the most powerful Lorewise beings so I doubt this.

And to point out, I also disagree with all the abilities in the blog that don't have scans. Also there are no references for any of the skills, Arknights is a game with too many story chapters, so references are necessary.

And remember

The reason you gave for disagreeing with AE1 & immortality type 9 is just incorrect. As nothing in immortality type 9 or AE1 mention that interacting with the avatar debunks them from being "interacted" with. The whole point of immortality type 9 & AE1 is that they can make avatars that CAN be interacted with, but doing so is essentially a waste of time since they can just create avatars again from their true selves which exist separately. So I don't know exactly what you mean there? Correct me if I'm wrong ofc. Also, there was never once a single time in the entire series to date where any person interacted with a Feranmut outside of it's avatar.

Moving on from that, I can see why you guys disagree I didn't bother to read everything however. Regardless, this thread just proved that unfortunately. We'll just have to make a massive CRT that has every single physiology page to piggyback off of everything due to how AK's feats work as a result of it's worldbuilding (which you alr mentioned). I thought I could get away with releasing them a few days apart honestly, since the verse is very underrated and usually staff take longer to read CRT's from me (unless we get outside help from other members) as I am currently the only one making the pages and stuff, with Fanta mainly just giving it a read over after and slightly editing wording and whatnot which is another reason I tried to do it this way. Anyways, prepare to have to read 5 physiology pages worth of hax, abilities and scans igthat is where things like info manip type 2 come from, collapsal feats, etc. You guys are free to close the thread for now

Also Patriot is a bum who gets negged diff these days

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

And also well....while we're at it I might as well just send this here so you guys can see, but yeah thanks for the replies

Gyazo

gyazo.com

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Also Patriot is a bum who gets negged diff these days

Fax!