Arifureta: The Nine Realms

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Ok let's start with these:
Time/Restoration Magic:
WN

Regeneration magic was ‘magic that interfere at time’. The use of regeneration magic was more of restoration rather than healing, it was just a portion of it. Originally it was possible to interfere with time itself using this magic, it could catch a glimpse of the past or take a peek at several branches of the procession of time. Shia’s characteristic magic of ‘Future Viewing’ was likely originated from this magic.

LN

Restoration magic was magic that manipulated time. Which explained why in her message, Meiru had described it as magic that restores and not magic that heals. However, it could do more than just restore things to a previous state. Since it could interfere with time directly, it could be used to look into the past or potential futures based on set decision variables. Shea’s Future Sight was, in fact, just one application of restoration magic.

Shia's Skills are derived from Time Magic

• Future Sight:Shea's special magic ability that let her see what future outcomes would result of certain choices. However, it consumes a great deal of mana, enough to usually leave her exhausted after use it at the begining of the story, later she could use it several times.
  • Automatic Activation: - An ability that automatically whenever Shea is in danger. Whether or not this danger is a direct threat to her, or something that would indirectly harm her doesn’t matter. This takes up a great deal of mana too, but not nearly as much as activating it voluntarily does.
  • Branching Paths: Future Sight's derivative skill, allowing the user to see possible futures based from the many choices on the current situation. The user is able to see the result of their choices and make the best decision based on that.
  • Prophetic Vision: An ability which allows her to see up to 2 seconds into the future. Though it is a downgraded version of her Future Sight, it can be used with little magic power, so she could conveniently use it in rapid succession.
  • Hypothesis Sight: The derivation of her native magic Future Sight, using Hypothesis Sight, Shea is able to know the result of a question she asks such as what would happen if she attack someone, and also know exactly where that person will strike.

It could also be used to time travel.

Space/boundary Magic:
WN

Space magic was a ‘magic that interferes at boundary’. Elimination of race-creature gap, formulating new boundary to create spirit world, it could be thought that those kinds of things were also possible.

LN

Spatial magic was magic that manipulated boundaries. Meaning it could be used to create entire dimensions as well as manipulate the boundaries between fantasy and reality. A skilled master could turn reality into illusion and illusions into reality.

Space-time is considered a form of boundary

“That’s... amazing.” Shizuku’s eyes went wide as she looked down at the sword in her hands. But this was just the tip of the iceberg. Hajime continued his explanation, and the more Shizuku heard, the wider her eyes got.


Supposedly, thanks to the spatial magic it had been enchanted with, she could cut through space-time itself. Supposedly, thanks to the restoration magic it had been enchanted with, it could restore itself from any amount of damage. On top of that, it granted its wielder a restorative aura that slowly healed their wounds. Supposedly, thanks to the spirit magic it had been enchanted with, it could cut right through the souls of her enemies. And supposedly, the electric spells it had been previously enchanted with had been upgraded, and a new function had been added to it that allowed her to send shockwaves out from her slashes. Vol 8 p292

Nine Realms:
They are nine universes

「……Don’t perceive what we called “other world” at the level of a “single planet”. Perceive it wider as a “single universe”, huh. Well, certainly that tracks. Even the desert world has outer space outside the planet and also other planets. Perhaps there is also planet with abundant nature and life somewhere in that vast universe.」

What Hajime and others vaguely called “other world” wasn’t a “different planet” that existed inside the same universe by all means. The universe itself was different from their universe, and the planet that they knew there was nothing more than a single planet inside that different universe.

Hajime once more spoke of the great premise that he had to base his perception on while tossing the tablet in his hand on the desk. He joined his hands behind his head and leaned back deeply on his chair. He stared at the empty space in order to sort his thinking.

「In other words, the “nine other worlds”, should be called as “nine other universes” to be more accurate……」Ch 470

They call these universes by the name of their planet.
Earth(the universe), Tortus, Hell, Fairy World, Factory World, Clamity World, Star Spirit World, Sky Dragon World

The Mutiverse:
In the first Volume we got a short story narrated by the author

A Case of What If

There exist an infinite amount of possibilities and timelines in this world. If we were to imagine some of those what if scenarios in Arifureta, they might go something like,

Case 1: What if, when Kouki was fighting Emperor Gahard, he did things a little differently?

"Prepare yourself, Hero. If you hold back again...”
Goosebumps coated Kouki’s arms. The bodyguard’s tone of voice clearly conveyed what awaited him if he held back.
“AAALaLaLaLaie!”
“What the hell!?”
Were Hoelscher’s emperor a bit more like a certain other ruler, then surely all the demons would surrender and begin calling him “bro.”

Case 2: What if, when Kouki was fighting Emperor Gahard, he did things a little differently? v2

“What on earth are you doing, Gahard?”
King Eliheid yelled out as he leaped in between the two fighters and blocked Gahard’s blow. Gahard was thrown off balance by the fact that Eliheid had discovered his identity, but he nevertheless smiled fearlessly and prepared to charge again. Sighing, Eliheid realized Gahard had no intention of backing down.
“All thing of this of this world, turn to ashes, Ryujin Jakka"
"Wait--stop--no"
If king Eliheid was actually the captain of the 13 Court Guard Companies, then all the demons would most likely be crying in fear.

Case 3: What if the second fight with the Behemoth went a little differently?

The Behemoth, enraged that a pair of mere humans had stopped its assault, stamped impatiently on the ground. Seeing this, the other students took advantage of its momentary distraction.
“Peerless swordsmanship that rends even the heavens—Hiten Mitsurugi style, Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki!”
“What?”
If Shizuku Yaegashi was a master of the Hiten Mitsurugi style, she would probably be the hero, not Kouki.

Case 4: What if Kouki’s sacred sword was a little different?

“Let’s go! Sacred sword, lend me your power!”
“Moron, this is why I can’t handle country hicks. I told you not to bother me during my afternoon tea.”
“......”
If Kouki’s sword was as annoying as a certain other world’s Excalibur, then Kouki probably wouldn’t be so nice.

Case 5: What if things were a little different when Hajime first found the Divinity Stone?

“This... is...”
The source of the liquid was a basketball-sized crystal that emitted a pale red light... A few days later after conquering his lonelinesse starvation, and pain, Hajime took down his first enemy, the Twin-tailed Wolf.
“What a niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice sound that was. Truly, wonderful! Is it not wonderful, o philosopher’s stone?”Had the stone Hajime discovered really been the philosopher’s stone, he might have ended up like Kimblee.

Case 6: What if the scorpion fight had gone a little differently?

“...Thanks for the meal.
”Suddenly, Yue got to her feet and brandished a hand at the scorpion thing. As she did so, a tremendous amount of mana, golden in color, poured out of her tiny body, chasing away the darkness. Then, clad in a wondrous golden light, with her golden hair fluttering around her, she muttered a single phrase.“Forbidden Barrage ‘Catadioptric.’”
If Yue was actually the little sister to the master of the scarlet devil mansion, then she’d surely be this story’s last boss.

There a countless amount of possible timelines for every world...so why not try and think of a few yourself ? Vol 1 SS3

Author's note about a certain short story

—The Handsome Rabbit and The Iron Boy

This one’s just one of those alternate timeline stories. As I’m sure you’ve all guessed, it’s based on Ironman. Honestly, if you think about the title of Arifureta, this would probably be a more fitting way for Hajime to get stronger than eating a bunch of monsters. (Whoops.) The rabbit’s kind of in a similar place too. I think you’ll see what I mean once the next mainline volume comes out.

Those sounded hypothetical at that time until we got these

「Lily-san, let’s detach your thinking from work for a bit. Rather, it feels like I can see the future of Lily-san dying from getting overworked. Also, this won’t have the precision of “hypothesized future” or “oracle sight”. It’ll be something hazy somehow like, ‘this kind of future might be possible?’.」

It seemed the accuracy would be hit or miss at best. But, being able to see a scene that showed a possibility of the future was something unique of Shia.

Like that Shia said 「Then here I go」 and heightened her focus while inhaling a deep breath ‘suuu~~’……

「UOOOOOOOOOOOOOHDESUUUUUUUUU!!!」

「Somehow it’s different from my imagination!!」

A divination so unexpected it even made Hajime’s eyes widened started.

A fierce scream and bluish white magic power surged from Shia. Her form that was slightly leaning forward with her arms rounded and strained was just like the “Most Muscular” posing of body builder!

On top of that, “something behind” like Yue’s “lightning dragon” and Kaori’s “Hannya” was faintly……

It was like something from a different time axis, like a muscular rabbit that displayed her true nature in common daily life Arifureta Nichijou……

Bursting! Bursting! It’s formed to the supreme level! The muscles are rejoicing!

That muscle motion that was just very lively, the intensity that was like a supreme ruler, it made everyone there to open their eyes wide like saucer!

「NUOOOOOOOOOOH!! ――I can see-, I can see it! The future-!! ……………………ah, desuu!」Ch 359

Here, the correct translation is "from a different space-time". They're refering to an event that happened in Arifureta Nichijou as another timeline.

Arifureta Nichijou(I love Isekai) is a 4-Koma spinoff manga of Arifureta that dipect event outside the mainstory(main timeline) while containing events that connect and contradict the main story. This suggest that all the events from that manga are some of the other timelines.

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In Chapter 16(SLOWLY) there is feat of them using Space Magic to "warp space and time" and open a portal to another version of themself(main timeline) even though it's drawn by a different artist.
In chapter 40(PRIORITIES) they use Space Magic to manipulate the page and watch the fight from outside(the panels).

There is other spinoffs like Magic school and some short stories where they play as the characters from Disney and other Folktales.


Conclusion: Each realm is 2-A universe for comprising of countless to infinite timelines.


Agree: @ActuallySpaceMan42 ,@Elizhaa ,@AlphaOmegaV1 ,@Digital_Franz ,@SweetDao ,

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Spatial Magic that's not Spatial Magic is insane, but whatever.

Anyway, this all seems fine and pretty straightforward.

 

[Elizhaa]

The 2-A proposals look fine.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

The 2-A proposals look fine.

Will I need another staff for this ?

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Does this mean Arifureta will become 4-D smurfs with their magic and someone will get a 2-A rating?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Does this mean Arifureta will become 4-D smurfs with their magic and someone will get a 2-A rating?

Possibly

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Alright. Just wanted to ask for both strongest lists. For what it's worth, I agree with this revision.

 

[Community_Gamer]

My question is related to this quote

There exist an infinite amount of possibilities and timelines in this world. If we were to imagine some of those what if scenarios in Arifureta, they might go something like,

What is being referred to when they say "world"? You'd think its referring to one of the Nine Realms or possibly all of them. However considering the narration refers to Arifureta as a story then couldn't "world" also refer to the IP or entire cosmology?

So what makes the interpretation that this statement is referring to one of the Nine Realms more likely?

That's what I want to know.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

My question is related to this quote

What is being referred to when they say "world"? You'd think its referring to one of the Nine Realms or possibly all of them. However considering the narration refers to Arifureta as a story then couldn't "world" also refer to the IP or entire cosmology?

IDK, but it could mean that Arifureta as a novel or a verse is limited to the branch that hold the nine realm.
Maybe the the author is trying to say that all of his fictional works exist as infinite branches of The World Tree. Basically Arifureta is just one of those infinite worlds .

An evidence for it is Space magic opening a portal to a different Arifureta by a different artist, manipulating the panels( space-time=story/plot ?), and other spinoffs existing as timelines in the same branch. Which mean that all the spinoffs and unrelated SS are from existing timelines.

BTW, the main story was refere to as the serious version while the rest of the timelines have 4th wall awarness, toon force, reality manipulation, plot manipulation and other meta hax.

According to Foltina, even their nine universes were located on nothing more than a single branch from a major branch that extended from the world tree. Furthermore their universes were nothing more than the leaves that grew at the further end of a smaller branch. There were other branches and leaves beside their branch. Nearby branch would have similar worlds with theirs, while the far away branch could possibly could have worlds with completely different culture and history engraved on them.

Not only that, it might even be possible that there were different major branches that grew from the world tree, where mankind itself didn’t exist there in the first place, where the worlds were completely different, in law of physics, concept, or the world’s underlying principle.

「It’s not a simple story where there’s an origin world and that’s it huh.」Ch 470

So what makes the interpretation that this statement is referring to one of the Nine Realms more likely?

Simple, the timelines are accessible through Space Magic and Time Magic. These concepts are exclusive to the nine realms and even the compass can't reach outside them.

But it could also prove the existence of a different concept of time for each branch.

Reincanation:
When characters die they get reborn in the world they desire like Miledi and Liberators.

Alfard finished eating his last sandwich, which seemed to mark the end of this strange topic of discussion.

“Anyway, the point is that when people die, their souls dissipate, but they don’t disappear. They simply become a part of the natural world again.They’re still there.”

“Still there...”

“Then after eons and eons, when the right vessel is born, they once again coalesce and enter that vessel.”

“So what you’re trying to say is that when a person dies, their soul turns into primal energy, and eventually, that primal energy enters another person and becomes their soul?”

"Exactly. And since they return to nature first, it’s not like the person who inherits that soul remembers what it was like before.”

“So reincarnation is when, for some reason or the other, that soul doesn’t completely get wiped clean and retains its original form when it enters another person?” Zero Vol 6

Miledi reinarnation

In a different world and a different time, there lived a girl in a small village near her nation’s outer border. She was in her teens, had her black hair in a short bob cut, and had tanned skin. Judging by the plain, worn dress that she wore, she wasn’t very wealthy. If she put more effort into taking care of her appearance, she could have been beautiful, but it was clear she didn’t care. Vol 13 p350

Could "world" here mean another branch ?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

My question is related to this quote

What is being referred to when they say "world"? You'd think its referring to one of the Nine Realms or possibly all of them. However considering the narration refers to Arifureta as a story then couldn't "world" also refer to the IP or entire cosmology?

So what makes the interpretation that this statement is referring to one of the Nine Realms more likely?

That's what I want to know.

As far as I remember, this verse has the tree branches containing worlds kind of setting, right?
I think it may be that, that each world branches into infinite more branches/timelines/possibilities.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

As far as I remember, this verse has the tree branches containing worlds kind of setting, right?
I think it may be that, that each world branches into infinite more branches/timelines/possibilities.

To simplify it: World Tree->Limb->Branch->Twig

1)Each Limb is different in concepts, physical laws and history(story ?)

2)The nine realms exist within a twig

3)Ancient magic which are not actual "magic", but laws and concepts that govern the nine realms and limited to them even if you enhance them.

4)In each realm there is a great tree that is the avatar of the twig. Goddess are connected to the great trees and their knowledge and authority come directly from the twig but restricted to one realm.

Tortus great tree

『The majestic great tree. The protector tree of the sea of trees. The symbol of the holy ground. As someone who has been together with the great tree ever since I was born, there is something that I have been sensing somehow all this time.』

Was this just the biggest and oldest tree in the world?

Was it the center of the sea of trees?

No, that wasn’t all there was to it. This tree wasn’t something that could simply be described as this world’s symbol.

『It’s more, yes, it feels like this tree is taking root even deeper, until the core of this world……I am not talking about physically, but conceptually, it feels like the tree is connected to something that surpass human’s understanding……pardon me. I can’t really describe it well……』

Lyutilis stared at empty air as she desperately tried to put the sensation she was feeling into words, however, in the end she couldn’t find the right word and smiled wryly. She then turned her gaze toward Hajime and co again.

But there, her eyes were the eyes of a transcendental who had arrived at the highest peak of human knowledge. It was the shudderingly deep gaze of the user of an age of god magic for interfering with information.

『But, please at least remember this. That the great tree is not merely an ancient and large tree. Losing the great tree might possibly lead to a disaster that cannot be undone.』

This character is a proficent user of Info magic(info 1&2). There is also a statment about the goddesses being connected to something infinite.

5)There is something called concept magic which the will manifesting as a concept that surpass Ancient magic and equal to the goddess authority. Even with this they can't reach outside the nine realms.

Concept magic artifact that can locate anything across the nine realms and the space between and arround them

He summoned the compass on his hand. He toyed with that object that was shaped like pocket watch on his palm while recalling when he searched for existence outside of the nine worlds.

The result went without saying. The compass showed no reaction at all.

Perhaps there was a powerful partition that even the compass was unable to grasp. Or perhaps something like the rule of the world was obstructing it.

is it referring to the twig ?

6)Outsiders or calamities are entities from other Limb/branches/twig

「Something that lurked at the bottom of the sea existed outside of my awareness. The knowledge flowing from the Star Tree informed me of its true identity. That it was an existence that must not exist in this world.」

Which was to say, it was an existence from outside this dimension. “Something” that came here from further outside the nine universes.

「That existence was taking in the children of the sea, little by little, little by little. And not only mankind but also the children of every race. It ate and increased in strength, or it altered other’s soul and even their flesh into its subordinate, so it can order them to hunt for even more prey to offer to it. Secretly, carefully.」

「And it was already too late when you noticed huh.」

「No, if anything I should say that it happened because “it was noticed”.」

「What do you mean……aa, the number of victim that came out each time, it was actually so few so that it wouldn’t look unnatural huh.」

「It took place in the great oceans. The number of lives circulating there are far more than the children of earth or sky. It was nearly a coincidence that I noticed it.」

According to her, perhaps because the existence came from outside this dimension, it was difficult for this world’s principle to affect the “Calamity”.

It didn’t mean that it was completely ineffective. She could give chase once she perceived it, and it wasn’t like the principles related to offense and defense had no effect. But she said that it slipped through the principles related to detection as long as she hadn’t perceived it as “existing”.

「Something like crossing dimension should be impossible originally. Just the fact that it “could cross” made it easy to imagine that it possessed means to interfere with space-time.」

「I see. Those guys’ arrival might have influenced the “wall” between worlds and created the time difference huh.」

Of course, in that case it raised the question why there wasn’t any time difference with the desert world. Perhaps it was because of individual difference or difference in ability between each “Calamity”, but as expected they had nothing but guess in regard to that.

There is some hints that these outsiders are gods from Cthulhu Mythos.

7)The origin world/True world Astral

「……Nn. The origin world’s name is “True World Astral”, and the root of the great trees is the “World Tree”. The general term for the great tree in each world is the “World Tree’s Branch”.

「Hajime-kun was the one who coined those names though. After all it’s hard for our imagination to comprehend the goddess terminology that Aularodde-san used.」

「Yeah, that’s right. I coined the name using earth’s legends as reference. After all Aularodde’s explanation about the origin world is just really big.」

According to Aularodde, it was a world where there was just a single tree with immense size that beggared the imagination.

Hajime recited from his memory with his eyes looking at nowhere in particular.

「――The sky becomes the ground, and the ground becomes the sky. Time is flowing forward while also going in reverse at the same time. Life and death are circulating infinitely. Past, present, and future all lost their meaning there. It’s an eternal world where every possibility is converging.」

And then, Aularodde said.

Those who reached there would be granted all the equation they wished for. But, that would be like pouring the water of a great waterfall into a small pot. With human body, no, even an existence with divinity would be unable to bear it at all. The moment they wished for those equations and solutions, they would perish.

Therefore,

「”The Grand Record Depository of the World”……even an avatar like Aularodde is unable to reach that world. Even wishing for such thing is a taboo.」

It’s like the concept of Akashic Record at earth isn’t it? Hajime said with a shrug and a wry smile. Yue and others looked like they didn’t know what kind of expression they should make.

Of course, Moana and others couldn’t possibly understand some of the words that he said, but they could guess that it was a world that was completely out of their imagination just from bits and pieces of the talk. It made them shivered unconsciously.

「Perhaps, this world is completely different from the nine worlds. It might not even a “planet”.」

「……You mean it’s a conceptual world?」

「Apparently when avatars like Aularodde and others become an avatar, they felt like they became connected with something endless. But, it doesn’t seem like they were granted any particular knowledge from the World Tree. Even Aularodde only knew this from the word of mouth that are passed down from the first generation heaven tree’s avatar until her generation. She has never actually gone there herself.」

Solutions and equation could be a mistranslation, it could be talking about knowledge because we know that ancient magic are just knowlegde they gain after reaching "the truth of the world", but the power to manipulate reality comes from the soul itself.

Maybe The World Tree just manifest those possibilities(ideas, laws, concepts...) as branches or worlds within those branches.


Do you see any form of superiority between Limbs, branches and twigs ?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

BTW, the verse has multiple lesser realities

Potential mediums for viewing a cosmology as fiction include: written media (Books or stories), images (Paintings, comics, or movies), data (Simulations or video games), or mental constructs (thoughts or dreams). All of the above would be considered less 'real' than the person who views the cosmology as such, and can directly imply qualitative superiority. Note that the medium is usually a representation or container for the fiction on a higher plane and not necessarily the fiction in itself.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

R>F transcendence ?

A version of Yue is the author of Arifureta

“It’s to increase sales. I won’t stop until we’re the best selling TSUTAYA in the country.” Yue puffed her chest out proudly. Hajime smiled wryly. This was why he could never quit, despite the crazy rush hours and all the extra work he had to put in. The manager was just too lovable.

As Hajime sipped on his Ambrosia, Yue pulled out a light novel and proffered it to him. It looked like she’d pulled it out of her bra, but Hajime was a gentleman, so he made no comment. Her body heat still lingered on the cover, but he pretended not to notice that, too.

“Um, Manager, what is this?”

“Our next big hit. You should read it.”

“You want me to read it? Am I gonna be writing a review on it or something?” He looked quizzically down at the cover, then noticed something strange.

“Hey, Manager... The girl on the cover, the one who looks like the main heroine... looks a lot like you, doesn’t she?”

“Mhm... By the way, the protagonist looks like you, Hajime.”

“Why are you licking your lips like that?”

Shivers ran down Hajime’s spine. He found himself unable to meet Yue’s gaze, and stared down at the book instead. According to the summary it was about how a kind, normal boy got summoned to another world. Thanks to the harsh experiences he faced there, he changed into a completely different person, and went on adventures with a vampire princess that he met along the way. As he flipped through the pages, he noticed the main heroine got naked an awful lot. She was naked when the protagonist first met her, again after their first big battle together, and then again when she visited him in the bath and pushed him down.

What kind of surreal situation is this!?
Hajime was staring at naked pictures of a girl who looked just like Yue, as the real Yue watched him rifle through the pages.

“Read it. In fact, make it your bible. It’s got the greatest heroine you’ll ever see.”

“Y-Yes, ma’am.” Hajime started stuttering as Yue leaned in close. The title of the light novel she had given him was—Arifureta: From Commonplace to World’s Strongest. SS Volume p64

If you read the chapter you'll notice that this is a world is without fantasy, and that Arifureta exist as a work of fiction by Yue.


Or it could mean that fictional works exist somewhere as real worlds.

 

[Digital_Franz]

R>F transcendence ?

Yue is the author of Arifureta

If you read the chapter you'll notice that this is a world is without fantasy, and that Arifureta exist as a work of fiction by Yue.


Or it could mean that fictional works exist somewhere as real worlds.

Not the place for this. Just get the 2-A stuff accepted. Plus this R>F is shit. Already disqualified as the "author" is in the book.

I'm fine with 2-A.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Not the place for this. Just get the 2-A stuff accepted. Plus this R>F is shit. Already disqualified as the "author" is in the book.

Not literally, it's just her self insert.

 

[Community_Gamer]

As far as I remember, this verse has the tree branches containing worlds kind of setting, right?
I think it may be that, that each world branches into infinite more branches/timelines/possibilities.

Yes, I understand that interpretation. I'm asking why that's more like than the statement just referring to the entire cosmology rather just an individual world within said branch.

 

[Community_Gamer]

IDK, but it could mean that Arifureta as a novel or a verse is limited to the branch that hold the nine realm.
Maybe the the author is trying to say that all of his fictional works exist as infinite branches of The World Tree. Basically Arifureta is just one of those infinite worlds .

I'm more inclined to believe that its referring to Arifureta to being one of those infinite worlds atm.

An evidence for it is Space magic opening a portal to a different Arifureta by a different artist, manipulating the panels( space-time=story/plot ?), and other spinoffs existing as timelines in the same branch. Which mean that all the spinoffs and unrelated SS are from existing timelines.


Simple, the timelines are accessible through Space Magic and Time Magic. These concepts are exclusive to the nine realms and even the compass can't reach outside them.

But it could also prove the existence of a different concept of time for each branch.

You say that but Yue didn't think it was feasible to open a portal to Earth for Tortus with Spatial and Evolution Magic. They need concept magic to pull it off.

 

[SweetDao]

I didn't follow everything, so maybe I'm wrong, but 2-A seems reasonable unless I missed something.

 

[Community_Gamer]

Not the place for this. Just get the 2-A stuff accepted. Plus this R>F is shit. Already disqualified as the "author" is in the book.

I'm fine with 2-A.

Agreed.

 

[Community_Gamer]

I didn't follow everything, so maybe I'm wrong, but 2-A seems reasonable unless I missed something.

I agree with 2-A for the whole cosmology or potentially even the Nine Realms in totality but not each individual realm.

So I guess I disagree right now.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Yes, I understand that interpretation. I'm asking why that's more like than the statement just referring to the entire cosmology rather just an individual world within said branch.

WeII, if the nine reaIms, which I suppose is the main cosmoIogy, is just a twig, then the branches wouId refer to branches of the entire cosmoIogy

 

[Community_Gamer]

WeII, if the nine reaIms, which I suppose is the main cosmoIogy, is just a twig, then the branches wouId refer to branches of the entire cosmoIogy

Sure that makes sense. So you agree that 2-A should probably apply to either the Nine Realms collectively or the World Tree itself? I lean towards the World Tree because the Nine Realms is just a branch of my favorite tree.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Sure that makes sense. So you agree that 2-A should probably apply to either the Nine Realms collectively or the World Tree itself? I lean towards the World Tree because the Nine Realms is just a branch of my favorite tree.

I agree to 2-A for the whole tree, assuming the current/canon set of Nine ReaIms are just one of those possibiIities

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Yes, I understand that interpretation. I'm asking why that's more like than the statement just referring to the entire cosmology rather just an individual world within said branch.

IDK

I'm more inclined to believe that its referring to Arifureta to being one of those infinite worlds atm.

Same

You say that but Yue didn't think it was feasible to open a portal to Earth for Tortus with Spatial and Evolution Magic. They need concept magic to pull it off.

At the begining, she is able to travel realms with her own power

There, the space whirled and emitted light――

「……Nn-, it’s fine now! Yue-san is here!!」

The strongest vampire princess manifested while speaking a line like a certain mister symbol of peace with a smug face.

「Yue-san! What about Nagumo!?」

「……Mu. You’re uneasy with just me?」

「N-no, that’s not it but……there are this many enemies! There’re a lot of divine beings! In addition the dragons will revive right away if Blau doesn’t seal them!」

there is also Ehit trying to get to Earth, demons traveling the realms, and even Kouki is ravelling the realms.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I agree with 2-A for the whole cosmology or potentially even the Nine Realms in totality but not each individual realm.

So I guess I disagree right now.

But there is only nine realms.

WeII, if the nine reaIms, which I suppose is the main cosmoIogy, is just a twig, then the branches wouId refer to branches of the entire cosmoIogy

Sure that makes sense. So you agree that 2-A should probably apply to either the Nine Realms collectively or the World Tree itself? I lean towards the World Tree because the Nine Realms is just a branch of my favorite tree.

I agree to 2-A for the whole tree, assuming the current/canon set of Nine ReaIms are just one of those possibiIities

Don't think so

There is infinite possibilities and timelines for each world and Arifureta is one of those worlds.
If we take Arifureta as a major branch(limb )from the world tree then the infinite possibilities refere to the limbs on the tree. Branches from those limbs themself have smaller branches(twig) in which the nine realm exist and could be what the author referring to as infinite timelines.

Especially when they used Space magic which is something restricted to their Nine realms to open a portal to another timelines, but couldn't reach outside their twig. Meaning the infinite timelines and every version of them exist within the same twig.


Maybe laws and concepts from bigger branch are supperior to the smaller ones.


Or we should wait, as they haven't travelled all the nine realm let alone outside their branch.

 

[Community_Gamer]

But there is only nine realms.



Don't think so

There is infinite possibilities and timelines for each world and Arifureta is one of those worlds.
If we take Arifureta as a major branch(limb )from the world tree then the infinite possibilities refere to the limbs on the tree. Branches from those limbs themself have smaller branches(twig) in which the nine realm exist and could be what the author referring to as infinite timelines.

Until you answer why that's the more likely interpretation I disagree with the conclusion.

Especially when they used Space magic which is something restricted to their Nine realms to open a portal to another timelines, but couldn't reach outside their twig. Meaning the infinite timelines and every version of them exist within the same twig.

Again Yue literally couldn't open a portal to Earth from Tortus which Space Magic and Evolution Magic. So this doesn't really mean much.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Until you answer why that's the more likely interpretation I disagree with the conclusion.

Lack of evidence

In Chapter 16 we see them using space magic to warp space and open a portal to the main timelines.

We know that even concept magic which is superior can't reach outside the branch. That's why those timelines can't be from other branches or twigs on the limb.

Each realm is 2-A by itself because they are an independepent structure(system) with their own time that branches out separated by the interval.

But, you could be right. There could be an infinite collection of nine realms.



Possible evidences of this are the spirit whale, the interval and realm travel.

Spirit whale: could exit the realm through transcending space-time

Now, centuries or perhaps millennia later, the seal had been weakened to the point where it was nearly gone. If the lynchpin of the seal, the tower that the whale was fused with, broke, then the ancient evil horrors would regain their full strength and would start terrorizing people across all worlds and all times.

“Mister Whale’s been waiting this whole time for someone who can fix the seal to come! He said he needed really strong ‘Synergist-creators!’”

This abandoned capital didn’t actually exist anywhere within the real world. It had once stood where the sea they’d come from was, but the seal had transported it into a gap between dimensions. Basically, this whole space was a city-sized Treasure Trove.

And because the whale was also the product of that ancient civilization, it too possessed the power to transcendspace and time. However, its power had been greatly weakened, so it could only transport people here once, and only people who visited the particular stretch of sea the capital had once been on. Meaning this was the only chance anyone would ever have to repair this seal. Restoration magic wouldn’t be enough to do it because a lot of the damage to the seal was too old to be realistically recovered. It would take more mana than anyone in the world possessed. Which was why the whale had needed to bring in people who could analyze the seal and rebuild it from the ground up, namely Synergists who could use creation magic. Not only that, Synergists with more skill and mana than either Hajime or Oscar possessed individually.

“So it brought you and Oscar-oniisan together even though you’re from different times, Daddy! It made a miracle!”

Keep in mind that it was weakened

Interval: It's the gap between realms and outside space-time in which they can re enter the realms at any point in time(past, present and future).

When the world’s balance was starting to go out of order due to internal or external calamity or due to conflict and the like among the lives of that world, the “hero” would shoulder the role of balancer as the hands and feet of the avatar.

That was why, when the avatar sought help and carried out a summoning, it would definitely get connected to the hero. Also, it was because the hero was an existence with the quality that the World Tree recognized, the hero was able to pass through the gap between worlds. Though as the side effect of that, when a hole was drilled open in the gap between worlds, most of the time it would also get connected to the hero.

Kouki isekai magnet never sent him to the past or the future of those realm, just to the current present.

Realms travel: When they connect two realms they never end up finding themselves on the past or future of that realm although time flow differently.
Water mist and mirror were never used to send someone to a different realm past or future. Does it make realm travel is limited to the present ?

Yue and others nodded and gave their report.

According to them, there was no abnormality with Tortus and the star spirit world. However, apparently there was a change with the fairy world and the desert world.

「……Hajime, the fairy world’s time also turned strange. But it’s the reverse. They said that not even a day has passed since Hajime called there a week ago.」

「Papa! The time also shortened at Ku-chan’s place nano! We talked the day before this trip’s departure but, she said that only around two hours has passed since then!」

This is too confusing but here's what I think the cosmology looks like:

Inside the twig there is either an infinite collection of nine realms with their own interval, or there is a single interval separating nine 2-A universes and can be use to enter any of their timelines. The later seem more likely as the interval is outside the realms and it's where beings who transcended space-time reside and there no indication of it having temporal axis.

And don't forget about independent space-times(Artificial dimensions) that vary in content(islands, continent, moon, planet, endless space...) being governed by the time of the universe in which they exist but could have a different timeflow.

Again Yue literally couldn't open a portal to Earth from Tortus which Space Magic and Evolution Magic. So this doesn't really mean much.

Yes, that was her in chapter 160 or something (we are at 500+), it could be her lack of experience or energy, and there is nothing about space magic being unable to travel the realms.

Right now she can just teleport to other realms.

If your problem was a statment from the behining of the series, guess what they get more experienced with their power through out the series.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I understand that we don't understand the full structure of the cosmology yet, but we could wait till they show Avenst(spaceship) and how it travel "the sea of dimensions".

 

[GhostBlade07]

Is there a character or multiple characters that Will scaled to this cosmology ?

 

[Community_Gamer]

Lack of evidence

In Chapter 16 we see them using space magic to warp space and open a portal to the main timelines.

We know that even concept magic which is superior can't reach outside the branch. That's why those timelines can't be from other branches or twigs on the limb.

Each realm is 2-A by itself because they are an independepent structure(system) with their own time that branches out separated by the interval.

But, you could be right. There could be an infinite collection of nine realms.

This is just an argument for ignorance. Look we don't know the frame of reference the statement is referring to. All we know is that the infinite timelines said to exist in Arifureta specifically. Now we have to define what precisely it means when it says Arifureta.

It could mean the entire knowledge cosmology aka World Tree.
And no, Concept Magic not functioning outside of the branches does not mean their can't be higher levels of time that contain the branches or the World Tree itself. So it's not a valid refutation.

It could also be referring to the locations the main story takes place in aka the Nine Realms.

Or it could possibly refer to parts of the cosmology outside of the characters observation and knowledge but that seems unreasonable.

I really don't care which one it is. I just want sound reasoning for it. Right now its just empty assumption based on lack of evidence. So if someone can make a good argument I'd love to hear it.

This is too confusing but here's what I think the cosmology looks like:

Inside the twig there is either an infinite collection of nine realms with their own interval, or there is a single interval separating nine 2-A universes and can be use to enter any of their timelines. The later seem more likely as the interval is outside the realms and it's where beings who transcended space-time reside and there no indication of it having temporal axis.

We don't even know anything substantial about the gap between realms let alone what resides in it.

Yes, that was her in chapter 160 or something (we are at 500+), it could be her lack of experience or energy, and there is nothing about space magic being unable to travel the realms.

Right now she can just teleport to other realms.

If your problem was a statment from the behining of the series, guess what they get more experienced with their power through out the series.

So do you think this Yue from the spinoff manga was just so demonstrably superior to main timeline Yue that she could open portal to different timelines with just spatial magic? Despite them originating from similar positions in their respective timelines (Post-Haltina and Pre-Schnee). Isn't it possible that the manga isn't canon to the LN or WN?

 

[Community_Gamer]

Is there a character or multiple characters that Will scaled to this cosmology ?

Nope. Not as far as I'm aware of.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

This is just an argument for ignorance. Look we don't know the frame of reference the statement is referring to. All we know is that the infinite timelines said to exist in Arifureta specifically. Now we have to define what precisely it means when it says Arifureta.

We could wait

It could mean the entire knowledge cosmology aka World Tree.
And no, Concept Magic not functioning outside of the branches does not mean their can't be higher levels of time that contain the branches or the World Tree itself. So it's not a valid refutation.

It could also be referring to the locations the main story takes place in aka the Nine Realms.

Or it could possibly refer to parts of the cosmology outside of the characters observation and knowledge but that seems unreasonable.

I really don't care which one it is. I just want sound reasoning for it. Right now its just empty assumption based on lack of evidence. So if someone can make a good argument I'd love to hear it.

Just need more details, got it.

We don't even know anything substantial about the gap between realms let alone what resides in it.

Let's see
1) It's bigger than the realms
2) Its size varies
3) It's a place where you get transported to after transcending spac-time
4) It has an effect on the time difference between realms

So do you think this Yue from the spinoff manga was just so demonstrably superior to main timeline Yue that she could open portal to different timelines with just spatial magic?

Hajime was the one who did it

Despite them originating from similar positions in their respective timelines (Post-Haltina and Pre-Schnee). Isn't it possible that the manga isn't canon to the LN or WN?

Have you read the OP ?
(From shia scan chapter 16)


It's not just canon but considered to be events from other timelines. We have statments from the WN that refer to events that happened in that manga.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Is there a character or multiple characters that Will scaled to this cosmology ?

A possible range upgrade.

 

[Community_Gamer]

We could wait

Yes

Just need more details, got it.

Yes

Let's see
1) It's bigger than the realms
2) Its size varies
3) It's a place where you get transported to after transcending spac-time
4) It has an effect on the time difference between realms

Pretty vague yea

Hajime was the one who did it

Ok then same question just replace Yue with Hajime. That's almost worse because he's limited to Gate Key and Gate Hole.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Ok then same question just replace Yue with Hajime. That's almost worse because he's limited to Gate Key and Gate Hole.

Okay, that's the problem. (Just read that manga)

You think all the version of those characters are similar, but it's not the Hajime that did that is from a goofy ahh version of Arifureta where they got toon force(read it), 4th wall awarness and plot manipulation. We even see him warp space time(Space Magic) with his hands and referring to the other Hajime(main timeline) as "the serious version".

What I think is there is multiple version of Arifureta the main one, toon version(I love Isekai), "real life"(where they are normal and Yue is the author of Arifureta) and others like Arifureta: Magic School.

But using space magic(boundary of reality/fiction) to open a portal into one of those timelines suggest that ancient magic govern all of them.

The evidence is them in the WN refering to events that only happened in that manga as if they are from a flashback. Some of those things are: Yue and Tio sweaters, the hauria painting and Shia guts (as a stando power)...

An example: Imagine if they had an ability that take them to the comic, cartoon, live action version of their verse and refer to them as timelines. Maybe that's what the author meant by Space magic govern the boundary between reality/fiction ?


What if:

According to Foltina, even their nine universes were located on nothing more than a single branch from a major branch that extended from the world tree. Furthermore their universes were nothing more than the leaves that grew at the further end of a smaller branch. There were other branches and leaves beside their branch. Nearby branch would have similar worlds with theirs, while the far away branch could possibly could have worlds with completely different culture and history engraved on them.

Not only that, it might even be possible that there were different major branches(limbs) that grew from the world tree, where mankind itself didn’t exist there in the first place, where the worlds were completely different, in law of physics, concept, or the world’s underlying principle.

「It’s not a simple story where there’s an origin world and that’s it huh.」Ch 470

Worlds = IPs of the author

Infinite Possibilities ≈ infinte version of those IPs(Arifureta is one of them)

Infinite timelines = just timelines for those versions

But, we should wait for now.