Are Hellsing's Speed Feats Aimdodging?

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

So I've been rereading KINO (for personal reasons and, unfortunately, VS reasons) and I came across this panel which suggests that vampires can dodge bullets because of their ability to read the minds of and analyze the actions of their opponents. This is pretty busted in and of itself, but shouldn't it make the many bullet timing feats in the verse invalid because vampires like Alucard or the Valentines are basically just reading what their opponent will do and reacting to that and not the gunfire itself?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

So I've been rereading KINO (for personal reasons and, unfortunately, VS reasons) and I came across this panel which suggests that vampires can dodge bullets because of their ability to read the minds of and analyze the actions of their opponents. This is pretty busted in and of itself, but shouldn't it make the many bullet timing feats in the verse invalid because vampires like Alucard or the Valentines are basically just reading what their opponent will do and reacting to that and not the gunfire itself?

The main effect of the verse and pretty much the only one that matters (I think) is because of Rip, who is also a vampire. So it doesn't matter much?

Just out of curiosity, which chapter?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

The main effect of the verse and pretty much the only one that matters (I think) is because of Rip, who is also a vampire. So it doesn't matter much?

Just out of curiosity, which chapter?

Chapter 45. But I really don't think Rip being a vampire would change much, there isn't anything saying that vampires can't read the minds of other vampires. It'd still affect Luke and Jan's supersonic+ scaling as well as anybody who scales to them (like Walter).

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Chapter 45. But I really don't think Rip being a vampire would change much, there isn't anything saying that vampires can't read the minds of other vampires. It'd still affect Luke and Jan's supersonic+ scaling as well as anybody who scales to them (like Walter).

If they keep reading each other's lens to predict movement, wouldn't it be the same? Because the two know what each could do.

Also, what would you change?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

If they keep reading each other's lens to predict movement, wouldn't it be the same? Because the two know what each could do.

Also, what would you change?

Hm, that's a good point. I honestly have no idea how we'd scale speed in scenarios like that; Alucard is aimdodging the bullet, which is being controlled by someone who know what he'll do next, but Alucard knows what Rip will do next, which will only help Rip determine what Alucard will do next... Basically, it's this scene. I'd be opposed to scaling anyone and everyone to this feat anyways though, because Alucard is sandbagging 90% of the time, and tends to stomp everyone when he does get serious.

I'd have to go back and see if any of the humans have any good bullet timing feats, otherwise fodder vampires and characters like Walter would have to scale to their own feats (which might honestly just be subsonic/superhuman, lol).

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Hm, that's a good point. I honestly have no idea how we'd scale speed in scenarios like that; Alucard is aimdodging the bullet, which is being controlled by someone who know what he'll do next, but Alucard knows what Rip will do next, which will only help Rip determine what Alucard will do next... Basically, it's this scene. I'd be opposed to scaling anyone and everyone to this feat anyways though, because Alucard is sandbagging 90% of the time, and tends to stomp everyone when he does get serious.

I'd have to go back and see if any of the humans have any good bullet timing feats, otherwise fodder vampires and characters like Walter would have to scale to their own feats (which might honestly just be subsonic/superhuman, lol).

I honestly don't know how it would work. Do you intend to make a crt?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Eventually. I wanna find some better fodder speed feats, and look back at the Rip fight. There are at least two other threads I wanna tackle though, one of which I can make today.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Hm, that's a good point. I honestly have no idea how we'd scale speed in scenarios like that;

I'm pretty sure the Wiki ignores it. I don't think I've ever seen a character that doesn't scale to such speed because of their precogination.

Like Asta.

Especially when the two characters can precoginate each other.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I'd be opposed to scaling anyone and everyone to this feat anyways though, because Alucard is sandbagging 90% of the time, and tends to stomp everyone when he does get serious.

I mean, yes and no.

Alucard stopped the bullets on normal.

So if that were the case, anyone who could keep up with a level 1, mostly serious would scale, because normal < level 1.

Like the monster God Anderson or Walter.