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Arceus vs Rimuru

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This match has happened like 4 times already, its still a Stomp in Arceus' favour, nothing has changed.
 
Large Size Type 9 means that Arceus is faaaar outside Rimuru's Range to do anything and Abstract Existence Type 1 on a Type 2 Concept means that even without that Rimuru can literally not affect Arceus at all.
 
Has Rimuru gained anyway to affect Type 2 Concpets of being over twice his Range since the kast time Arceus stomped? Spoiler, he hasn't.

If not this is still a stomp, and literally nothing has changed to make this repeat necessary.
 
Yes, this has been a point brought up in every single Rimuru match he has had, though it was never the focal point because Rimuru couldn't handle his Large Size to make it necessary.
 
Huh, not really knowledgeable about both verse. But shouldn’t multiverse range be able to hit large size type 9? Or was it because of something else?
 
Multiverses can be different sizes, right now Rimuru has 10,000+ Range, at best he might have Countless Range, Arceus Large Size is for Countless × 2.
 
Arceus is a type 3 concept, not a type 2 which I believe was rejected.

The match has been repeated multiple times but to be fair both characters got their profiles updated.
 
The rejection of Type 2 Concepts was the Creation Trio and their Space/Time/Anti-Matter because their wasn't proof they trascended reality, Arecus' Type 2 from being the Original Spirit hasn't been rejected.
 
I know I was the OP, that was only for Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina, not Arceus as I said.
 
Arceus's conceptual manipulation is literally described as creating the creation from his own being which are accepted as Type 3 concepts.
  • Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3; Created the very concepts of Time, Space, Antimatter, Emotion, Knowledge and Willpower directly from its own being)
Unless there is clear evidence of transcendence of reality, Arceus is still a type 3 concept. I believe Arceus's concept was discussed in multiple CRT as a Type 3 concept, also. Well, this topic is best not on this thread.



I got a question because I am not fully familiar with Arceus and it's is relevant to the thread; does Arceus win or stomp via Hax upscaled from the LK trio, right; I am a bit uneasy about the potency numbers because it could be NLF?

I think Rimuru already has resistance to the other abilities.
 
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That's the level of his Concept Manipulation, but not his Abstract Existence, the Type 2 Concept he Embodies is not one he manipulates in any way so he doesn't get Concept Manipulation from it.

Each Lake Trio embodies and manipulates the combined Mind/Soul of every person and Pokemon throughout the Countless Pokemon universes. The Red Chain created from Arceus power can control both Palkia and Dialga at once, even though it requires the combined might of all three of the Lake Trio's individual Countless potency to control one, and they are unable to control both at the same time and break them free from said Red Chains control.
 
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The arguments for type 2 to me doesn't look enough, to me. More solid evidence is needed for the Type 2 concept. Well, I did say the topic is best for its own thread so I think these are my final inputs on the topic for this thread.

Edit: if type 2 concept is used as an argument here, the arguments on them should not be valid unless Arceus's being is accepted as a Type 2 concept, in a CRT first.
 
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As I mentioned none of the votes uses Abstract existence, because Rimuru can't even deal with Arceus' Large Size so whether its Type 2 or not doesn't matter for this march.

Arceus used to have ann Avatar key but it was removed because it was deemed unnecessary and any attempt to re-add hasn't gone anywhere.
 
Everything12's statements I have to thoroughly agree with. Also, wasn't it agreed on that Arceus is basically far above the creation trio as well as being a Type 1 AB?
 
It’s like gee, like if you want him to win so bad wait for the LN to finish, he’s already shown far stronger feats (currently) in comparison to the WN counterparts.

For now, he cannot win.
 
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As I mentioned none of the votes uses Abstract existence, because Rimuru can't even deal with Arceus' Large Size so whether its Type 2 or not doesn't matter for this march.

Arceus used to have ann Avatar key but it was removed because it was deemed unnecessary and any attempt to re-add hasn't gone anywhere.
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@Everything12 I was asking what is Arceus' win conditions; what is described so far make me think the match would be an inconclusive match.
 
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