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Arceus vs Dragonoid

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Read both the Pokemon Manga and watched the Bakugan series. I give this battle to Arceus at low difficulty. I doubt that Drago has anything to deal with Arceus' Acasuality and Arceus having dealt with Incorpeal beings like Giritina, Palkia, and Dialga, Mr. Plates donner handily takes Drago due to better versaltility.
 
What?

Arceus easily beating Drago is never happening. Outside of the matter of hax, Arceus beating the creation trio is hardly a point here since this is Drago's strongest form, a form that easily surpasses Evolved Ravenoid (someone who is At Least 2-C), Regular Ravenoid and his previous form Titanium Dragonoid (same thing), Code Eve (same thing again), the mother light of all Bakugan who surpasses Perfect Core Drago (2-C too), who surpasses Silent Naga and his previous form Infinity Drago (both of whom are Likely Low 2-C too).

Now if you want to vote Arceus be my guest but Arceus is definitely not winning this easily. In fact, once we update Drago's hax, Im going to get the feeling that Drago will potentially stomp.
 
I actually can see Arceus getting stomped. Arceus isn't really as haxxed as people imply it is. Now if it actually showed concept manipulation feats. He would really be haxxed.
 
XBlackExcellenceX said:
I actually can see Arceus getting stomped. Arceus isn't really as haxxed as people imply it is. Now if it actually showed concept manipulation feats. He would really be haxxed.
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He did when he created the Creation and Lake trio. It is something when even Matt admits Arceus and Pontos are equal in hax.
 
Stuff like this is not always standard for tier 2 characters. See characters like Zeno or Razenoid. Heck most Tier 2 Digimon lack hax. See BanchoLeomo
 
Then those characters are exceptions. If a character actually has a tier 2 feat (and not just damaging/fighting someone supposedly tier 2). They should usually have at least one of those abilities I mentioned above.
 
Meaning other than Higher Dimensional Manipulation, there is no such thing as hax for Tier 2.
 
Well I didn't say that wasn't haxxed. I just said Arceus isn't as haxxed as people say he is. Like someone literally just said on other thread that Arceus can destroy the concept of existence.
 
I agree, Frankly I get the feeling Drago can take this due to the reasons that have already been stated above.

Also, Im not sure if this is allowed or not, but Fusion Dragonoid has the ability to summon a Mechtagon Destroyer and fuse with it. They were able to stomp Mechtavious Destroyer who was several times stronger than Evolved Razenoid (a character at least 2C)

In other words - Mechtagon Destroyer >> Mechtavious Destroyer >>>>> Evolved Razenoid (At least 2C character)

Even if that isn't allowed, Drago is at least 2C, and with the reasons above, he should take the win.
 
We're going to update his profile very soon. Include much more hax and yes Aeroblitz is a form he's allowed to have but we need to have it added to the profile and this battle is specifically using Fusion Drago anyway.
 
Just realized that Drago isn't acausal. Time and causality is really gonna screw him over. Like, fatally. Assuming Drago can get by Low Godly regen, which is more broken than normal Low Godly. Especially considering even if Drago figures out the mechanics of it, Drago would never wipe out every single human throughout the multiverse.
 
Im not sure if this is appropriate yet since Dragos profile hasnt been updated but couldnt he just use Contestir's Evil Copy to transform into Arceus and copy everything about him? Thus he'd be replicating the OS thats in Pokemon and he'd get the exact same abilities Arceus would.
 
How would it be an NLF?

We decided (I think?) that Evil Copy cannot have Drago or anyone else transform into beings that are of a higher tier than they are. But Drago is at a higher end of 2-C then Arceus is (Fusion Drago is At Least 2-C, Possibly Higher while Incomplete Arceus is flat out 2-C), so it should work.

Unless is there something wrong with it?
 
Aside from the fact that "at least" doesn't mean that you're stronger than a solid "2-C" (even though he is stronger in this case), that's not a "limit" of an NLF.
 
Well Power Mimicry does exist. But it mimics actual powers, not an entity's state of being. Arceus regen basically comes from it being a non-corporeal entity that's omnipresent. You can't copy something like that.
 
Also I have a n ineresting question on something that I can't figure out the answer to.

So regarding Clayf's ability to automatically steal an opponents power/ability and make it his own to benefit him, say for example.....that Drago somehow killed Arceus......and Arceus was able to revive due to his Low Godly Regen.

If thats the case, then, wouldnt Arceus's regen actually be benefiting Drago instead of him? Since once the ability is activated all of what Arceus does will benefit Drago, not him. And before anyone says this is an NLF too, it actually isnt. The only way to destroy the abilities effects is to have a kind of evolution of some sorts (Gorem did this when he evolved into Hammer Gorem. It technically made him a completely different Bakugan and doing that allowed him to shut down Clayf's ability and defeat him before he could activate it again) that will make you a different being and the ability will no longer affect you (well until you activate it again anyway).

So if Arceus dies and tries to revive with his Regen, won't it just go to Drago and benefit him while Arceus gets nothing out of it?
 
Again, no. It hasn't shown anything near comparable to stealing low godly regen from what I've heard. All I've heard was stat amplification stealing, like the move "Snatch" from Pokemon.
 
Drago will only take powers similar to that of Bakugan in his world. To be honest Drago doesn't even need a skill like that. So Drago would steal stuff like Time Manipulation, Power Reflection etc.
 
It isnt stat stealing, we decided that it steals literal abilities .

The reason it isnt stat stealing was because Clayf steals the opponents G-power of the opponents ability for himself and G-power is Game Mechanics from a Bakugan brawl, so outside of that his ability would be stealing all of the opponents abilities and give them to the user the moment the opponent tries activating them. It looks like NLF but it actually isnt. Without a kind of reactive evolution or transformation to make you a different type of being, there's literally no way in countering this move. Its the reason why Gorem was able to beat Clayf during Julie's test. If he never evolved into Hammer Gorem he would have lost no matter what he could do.
 
Again, from what I've heard, it steals buffs. Not hax. Akin to again, Snatch, or even Psyche Up. If we treated all abilities like we did this, then Mewtwo wouldn't have lost to Gremmy.
 
That's...still stat stealing. Whether G Power is a game mechanic or not. A Yugioh effect steals Attack Points? A.P. is game mechanics, but still stat feats. Medicham uses Psyche up to steal stats? Stats may be game mechanics, but still stat manip. Same with Chrono Trigger, Shin Megami Tensei, and all other RPGs and the like.
 
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That's...still stat stealing. Whether G Power is a game mechanic or not. A Yugioh effect steals Attack Points? A.P. is game mechanics, but still stat feats. Medicham uses Psyche up to steal stats? Stats may be game mechanics, but still stat manip. Same with Chrono Trigger, Shin Megami Tensei, and all other RPGs and the like.
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So they don't steal abiltiies? Just stats? Thanks for explaining
 
I dont see how it would only be stat stealing. The entire ability is taken away from the opponent and given to the user, if it was just stats then the abilities themselves would still be there just not with any, well, stats.

So lets say if someone tries using Telekinesis on Drago and he uses Atomic Brave, the "stats" of the move shouldnt be taken away, the entire ability in general is taken away from the opponent and is applied to the user. So Drago would be the one given Telekinesis to use back against the opponent.

But this will derail the thread if we continue it so lets continue it on the other Bakugan thread.
 
Honestly this whole thread is so derailed it isn't funny. If someone cares to remake it then do so. I'm not in the mood for this crap... Have issues with it come to my message wall.
 
It's far from as derailed as you're making it. Much less derailed as other threads that are probably still added. It's not a s***storm and there's no wank. It should remain open.
 
This is literally the Seiya vs Omegamon thread all over again. Going back and forth on what said ability is, what is flowery wording, what is NLF, etc.

Listen at this point I honestly see this turning out the same. Heck we have Joseph here only commenting here just to say "Yhwach wins" on another thread when in fact we haven't even finished anything. Can I make one simple thread where we are not going through this crap? Seriously, everytime this happens.

Honestly not dealing with it. My thread I'm closing it.
 
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