1. It’s not just that single ciel-sensel scene, it’s multiple
That still doesn't surpass the sheer amount of literally everything else, even if it was every Teach Me Ciel Sensei, considering again, she has an entire lore already, which explicitly applies since Remake Neco Arc is the same one from back in the OG Tsuki days in her own words, and in mats
2. Luminous body’s power level isn’t exactly known, and archetype:Earth is confirmed to exist in the remake timeline with the fgo collab.
That doesnt matter? I know AE exists, that doesnt mean the statement isn't about Luminous Body. What I said is the statement was about Luminious Body and not AE, which is also why that statement is inconsistent and likely better to not use. Luminous Arc is also just tier 1 anyway, her power is in fact, known
Also where would I put it? a separate f/go key?
No? Luminous body isn't even in FGO, you'd just give it a key called Luminous Body, and note that her base form becomes that, and then she can regen from it and go back to base
Also servant arc is Archetype, just stage 2 has the personality of normal arc
Okay? She's much weaker than AE but I don't see your point here
It’s stated nowhere that Altrouge is equal to Arc, just that they’re the two most suitable to succeed Crimson Moon.
It's in her FGO profile, it's said that the reason she can not be called the Ultimate "One" is because Altrouge is around.
In the world of Tsukihime, the strongest existence of a celestial body is known as the Ultimate One (Original One), a position that the awakened Arcueid is applicable for. However, until things are settled with Altrouge, a being 'that forms the celestial' on the same scale, she cannot be referred to as the 'ONE'.
This also further supports what I'm saying about that Lumi Arc 4gamers statement being bad, only AE (Awakened Arc) is even applicable for being the strongest existence, this means before that, there are people stronger than her, in other words, she can't be the strongest entity in Type-Moon in general at the end of the Ciel route.
Also when was that statement made? The one I linked is an interview made shortly after the tsukihime remake.
Also ORT exists in Tsukihime, which would put Arc above it as well
It'd put her above a sleeping ORT sure, and even that's just arguable because he "exists" he never appears.
3. I’m pretty sure those abilities don’t exist in Remake yet.
They do, they're on her servant profile even
4. I wanted to be on the safe end and use his highest destruction feat, instead of using a statement that he could fell an entire nation ( an army, or the landmass?)
I'm talking about with his city freezing feat, the actual feat is way higher than city level when calc'd
Ah Tsuushin R. Those were nasu’s notes from over 10 years ago, so it’s less recent. Also nasu has made a variety of statements saying arceuid is either the strongest, or at least in the top 3
Nasu himself says towards the end of that however, that in 2020, when he worked on Tsuki R, he took those notes and applied it to write the script of Tsuki R. So the stuff written in the notes that were released later on, are still accurate in that case
Also yes, Nasu does have a bunch of statements putting her in the top 3 a while ago, at best this would apply to AE, we know it can't be applied to normal Arc because we know people she would lose to.
For instance Roa right after being turned is able to beat Altrouge, probably with her dog at that point, which is Type Moon level, and Altrouge herself is explicitly equal to Arc etc. There's quite literally no way to scale any non AE Arc that high, so that's clearly who those statements would apply to
In this case however, AE isn't in Ciel's route, Luminous Body is, which is why I'm saying it's quite literally impossible for it to be true, and the one saying she's the strongest in Mahoyo and Tsukihime is much more accurate. Like I said above when I posted the FGO profile excerpt, AE is the one that is the strongest existence of this celestial body along with Altrouge (the of this celestial body is also important because it excludes aliens, like ORT, since he's of a different celestial body). If AE is when she gets to be the strongest being of the celestial body, then the 4gamer interview which is talking about Lumi Arc can't be correct.
A more accurate justification for Archetype Earth's rating then, would be noting that when Awakened, she and her sister are the strongest of this celestial body, both being on the same scale so neither can be called the "one", and then note that this puts her above whatever other tier 1 characters are from Earth (non Types)
I believe we were also going to wait till Far Side was out to make pages since it's easier to just have everything available when making them rather than having to update it as it goes
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